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IMA NEWS May 2, 2017
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This news has been written collaboratively by the IMA team. Please feel free to share the news elsewhere.
As many have already noticed, Mr. Christophe Ruelle has signed the letter of intent confirming his acceptance of IMA's proposal. A copy of this document can be found on the IMA website at: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
IMA President, Eric Desjours will sign one copy for IMA’s records. This letter of intent does not require anyone else’s signatures.
Please remember the agreement with IMA has all along been Christophe’s intent. This document is not the final legal agreement. Ipernity S.A. needs to go through a legally required process to be able to transfer assets such as the ipernity platform to a 3rd party such as IMA. In order to perform this process a legal administrator will be appointed who needs to assess the terms and conditions of this transfer and give final approval to complete the deal. In such cases there is always a chance that the legal administrator does not accept the agreed deal. However, we are very confident that the deal agreed upon with Christophe Ruelle and Ipernity S.A. is acceptable for the administrator and therefore we consider the associated risk minimal.
The process for achieving a final legally approved agreement may take several weeks. IMA has collected the crowdfunding money, and will start to use it as explained on the letter of intent. Please read through that letter of intent for more details.
Christophe has informed us he may change the Ipernity Club membership prices in May. IMA asks you not to renew your membership yet but wait until legal agreement is done and bank account for payments is changed. IMA will announce when we recommend you start paying membership fees.
If you do pay your membership after they become increased by Christophe, IMA will respect your choice. However we are not in the position to guarantee any acknowledgement of paid renewal fees as IMA membership fees because some of the transition conditions are highly dependent on legal decisions by the administrator and Ipernity S.A. deducting such payments from IMA obligations under the agreement. Therefore we urge you to make a prudent decision regarding renewal terms and payments.
We have now also welcomed Pam Johnson to join our IMA team. The founding IMA board now includes the following people (in alphabetical order according to surnames):
Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup
Moreover, the following persons will work for and with IMA until decided differently:
Christophe Ruelle, voluntary server administration and consultancy Audrey Marche, hired site administration
We will soon fill the position of IMA Vice President that was not required for registration but is defined in IMA’s Bylaws: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
Keep in mind IMA’s officer positions with the exception of Vice President that is currently vacant are occupied by a founding member that volunteered to fulfill the duties and allow his name and personal information to be used for legal establishment of the organization. The first annual IMA meeting that will consist of an election for officers and discussion about possible amendments to the bylaws will be held in December 2017, as planned on IMA’s proposal:ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
If you wish to help us to translate these news, please add them to the comments. Moreover, please also let others know that you are working on to provide the translation, and on what languages it will be. We will provide a link to that translation here on the news article, when the translation is available. Thank you in advance.
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La présente communication a été rédigée conjointement par l'équipe IMA. N'hésitez pas à la diffuser.
Comme vous l'avez appris, M. Christophe Ruelle a signé la lettre d'intention confirmant son acceptation de la proposition de l'IMA. Vous trouverez une copie de ce document sur le site web de l'IMA à l'adresse suivante: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
Le président de l'IMA, Eric Desjours, signera une copie de cette lettre pour les archives de l'IMA. Elle ne requiert aucune autre signature.
Rappelez-vous que cet accord avec IMA reste une lettre d'intention émanant de Christophe. Ce n'est pas l'accord juridique final. Ipernity S.A. doit passer par une procédure légale pour transférer ses actifs tels que la plate-forme ipernity à une tierce partie telle que l'IMA. Pour l'exécution de cette procédure, un administrateur juridique sera nommé qui doit évaluer les termes et conditions de ce transfert et donner son approbation finale pour entériner l'opération. Dans de tels cas, il est toujours possible que l'administrateur légal n'accepte pas l'accord en question. Cependant, nous sommes très confiants que l'accord avec Christophe Ruelle et Ipernity S.A. est acceptable et, par conséquent, nous considérons ce risque comme minime.
La procédure pour parvenir à l'accord légal définitif peut prendre plusieurs semaines. L'IMA a collecté l'argent via le crowdfunding et commencera très prochainement à l'utiliser comme expliqué sur la lettre d'intention. Veuillez vous reporter à cette lettre pour plus de détails.
Christophe nous a informé qu'il pourrait modifier le prix de l'adhésion au Club Ipernity au mois de Mai. L'IMA vous conseille de ne pas renouveler votre adhésion et d'attendre que l'accord juridique soit acquis et que le compte bancaire de paiement soit mis à jour. Nous vous signalerons le moment où cette transition sera effective et où nous vous recommanderons de vous ré-inscrire.
Si vous renouvelez votre adhésion après augmentation du tarif par Christophe, l'IMA respectera votre choix. Cependant, nous ne pourrons pas garantir que les frais que vous aurez engagés seront reconnus ultérieurement comme votre cotisation à l'IMA, car certaines des conditions du transfert de responsabilité dépendent fortement des dispositions légales qui seront prises par l'administrateur et par Ipernity S.A. En particulier en ce qui concerne la demande faite par notre proposition de déduire le montant de ces adhésions des obligations financières de l'IMA. Par conséquent, nous vous invitons à prendre une décision prudente concernant votre renouvellement.
Nous vous informons enfin que nous avons accueilli Pam Johnson au sein l'équipe IMA. La liste des fondateurs de l'IMA comprend donc maintenant les personnes suivantes (par ordre alphabétique des noms) :
Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup
En outre, les personnes suivantes travaillent pour et avec IMA jusqu'à nouvel ordre :
Christophe Ruelle, administration volontaire des serveurs et consultant
Audrey Marche, administration du site hébergé
Nous allons bientôt attribuer le poste de vice-président de l'IMA qui n'était pas requis pour la déclaration officielle de l'association, mais qui est défini dans les statuts de l'IMA: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
Veuillez garder à l'esprit que les postes de membres du Bureau de l'IMA, à l'exception du vice-président actuellement vacant, sont occupés par des membres fondateurs qui se sont portés volontaires pour s'acquitter des tâches requises et autoriser l'utilisation de leurs noms et autres renseignements personnels pour l'établissement légal de l'association. La première réunion annuelle de l'IMA, qui comprendra une élection des membres du Conseil d'Administration et la discussion portant sur les éventuelles modifications des statuts, se tiendra en décembre 2017, comme prévu par la proposition de l'IMA:ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
Si vous souhaitez nous aider à traduire cette note d’information dans d'autres langues, faites nous le savoir dans vos commentaires. De plus, veuillez faire savoir aux autres que vous travaillez à cette traduction et la langue choisie. Nous mettrons un lien vers cette traduction ici, dans l'article des nouvelles de l'IMA, lorsque votre traduction sera disponible. Merci d'avance ! 12 hours ago.
= DE =
Das Folgende wurde vom IMA Team gemeinsam verfasst. Jede Weiterverbreitung ist herzlich willkommen.
Wie viele schon wissen hat Herr Christophe Ruelle die Absichtserklärung unterzeichnet, in der er die Annahme des Vorschlags von IMA bestätigt. Eine Kopie dieses Dokuments befindet sich auf der IMA Webseite: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
Der Präsident der IMA, Eric Desjours, wird eine Kopie für IMAs Unterlagen unterzeichnen. Diese Absichtserklärung bedarf keiner weiteren Unterzeichner.
Bitte erinnern Sie sich, dass die Vereinbarung mit IMA immer schon Christophe’s Intention war. Dieses Dokument ist nicht die endgültige rechtliche Vereinbarung. Ipernity S.A. muss durch einen gesetzlich vorgeschriebenen Prozess gehen, um Vermögenswerte wie die IPernity-Plattform auf eine Drittpartei wie IMA übertragen zu können. Um diesen Prozess durchzuführen, wird ein gesetzlicher Verwalter benannt, der die Bedingungen und Konditionen dieser Übertragung beurteilen muss und die endgültige Genehmigung zum Abschluss des Geschäftes erteilt. In solchen Fällen kann es immer auch passieren, dass der gesetzliche Verwalter das vereinbarte Abkommen nicht akzeptiert. Allerdings sind wir sehr zuversichtlich, dass das mit Christophe Ruelle und Ipernity S.A. vereinbarte Abkommen für den Verwalter akzeptabel ist, und deshalb schätzen wir das mit diesem Vorgang verbundene Risiko als minimal ein.
Der Ablauf bis zur Erreichung einer endgültigen gesetzlich zugelassenen Vereinbarung kann mehrere Wochen dauern. IMA hat Geld über Crowdfunding gesammelt und wird nun damit beginnen, es so einzusetzen, wie wie es in der Absichtserklärung erläutert ist. Für weitere Details lesen Sie bitte diese Absichtserklärung.
Christophe hat uns mitgeteilt, dass er die Preise für die Ipernity Club Mitgliedschaft im Mai ändern könnte. IMA bittet Sie, Ihre Mitgliedschaft noch nicht zu verlängern, sondern zu warten, bis eine rechtliche Vereinbarung getroffen ist und das Bankkonto für Einzahlungen geändert ist. IMA wird bekannt geben, wann wir Ihnen empfehlen mit der Zahlung von Mitgliedsbeiträgen zu beginnen.
Falls Sie dennoch Ihre Mitgliedschaft nach der von Christophe angekündigten Beitragserhöhung zahlen sollten, wird IMA Ihre Entscheidung natürlich respektieren. Allerdings sind wir nicht in der Lage, eine Anerkennung dieser bezahlten Erneuerungsgebühren als zukünftige IMA-Mitgliedsbeiträge zu garantieren, da einige der Übergangsbedingungen in hohem Maße von den rechtlichen Entscheidungen des Verwalters abhängen wie zum Beispiel, ob solche Zahlungen mit zukünftigen Verbindlichkeiten der IMA gegenüber der Ipernity S.A. gegenverrechnet werden können.
Deshalb bitten wir Sie nachdrücklich, eine umsichtige Entscheidung bezüglich der Vertragsverlängerungsbedingungen und -zahlungen zu treffen.
Wir begrüßen nun auch Pam Johnson in unserem IMA Team. Das Gründungs-IMA-Gremium umfasst nun folgende Personen (in alphabetischer Reihenfolge der Nachnamen):
Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup
Darüber hinaus werden die folgenden Personen bnis auf Widerruf für und mit IMA arbeiten:
Christophe Ruelle, freiwillige Serververwaltung und Beratung
Audrey Marche, angestellte Website Administratorin
Wir werden demnächst die Position des IMA-Vizepräsidenten besetzen, die für die Registrierung nicht benötigt wurde, aber in den Statuten von IMA definiert ist: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
Denken Sie daran, IMA Vorstands-Positionen mit Ausnahme der derzeitig vakanten Vizepräsidenten-Position, werden von einem Gründungsmitglied wahrgenommen, das sich freiwillig zur Verfügung stellt, die entsprechenden Verpflichtungen wahrzunehmen und gestattet, dass sein Name und seine persönlichen Angaben zur rechtswirksamen Gründung der Organisation verwendet werden.
Die erste jährliche IMA-Sitzung, die aus der Wahl der Vorstände und einer Diskussion über mögliche Satzungsanpassungen bestehen wird, findet im Dezember 2017 statt, wie im IMA-Vorschlag geplant: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
Wenn Sie uns helfen wollen, diese News zu übersetzen, fügen Sie sie bitte den Kommentaren hinzu. Darüber hinaus lassen Sie bitte auch andere wissen, dass Sie an einer Übersetzung arbeiten und in welcher Sprache. Wir werden einen Link zu dieser Übersetzung hier auf dem News-Artikel zur Verfügung stellen, sobald die Übersetzung verfügbar ist. Vielen Dank im Voraus.
= EN =
This news has been written collaboratively by the IMA team. Please feel free to share the news elsewhere.
As many have already noticed, Mr. Christophe Ruelle has signed the letter of intent confirming his acceptance of IMA's proposal. A copy of this document can be found on the IMA website at: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
IMA President, Eric Desjours will sign one copy for IMA’s records. This letter of intent does not require anyone else’s signatures.
Please remember the agreement with IMA has all along been Christophe’s intent. This document is not the final legal agreement. Ipernity S.A. needs to go through a legally required process to be able to transfer assets such as the ipernity platform to a 3rd party such as IMA. In order to perform this process a legal administrator will be appointed who needs to assess the terms and conditions of this transfer and give final approval to complete the deal. In such cases there is always a chance that the legal administrator does not accept the agreed deal. However, we are very confident that the deal agreed upon with Christophe Ruelle and Ipernity S.A. is acceptable for the administrator and therefore we consider the associated risk minimal.
The process for achieving a final legally approved agreement may take several weeks. IMA has collected the crowdfunding money, and will start to use it as explained on the letter of intent. Please read through that letter of intent for more details.
Christophe has informed us he may change the Ipernity Club membership prices in May. IMA asks you not to renew your membership yet but wait until legal agreement is done and bank account for payments is changed. IMA will announce when we recommend you start paying membership fees.
If you do pay your membership after they become increased by Christophe, IMA will respect your choice. However we are not in the position to guarantee any acknowledgement of paid renewal fees as IMA membership fees because some of the transition conditions are highly dependent on legal decisions by the administrator and Ipernity S.A. deducting such payments from IMA obligations under the agreement. Therefore we urge you to make a prudent decision regarding renewal terms and payments.
We have now also welcomed Pam Johnson to join our IMA team. The founding IMA board now includes the following people (in alphabetical order according to surnames):
Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup
Moreover, the following persons will work for and with IMA until decided differently:
Christophe Ruelle, voluntary server administration and consultancy Audrey Marche, hired site administration
We will soon fill the position of IMA Vice President that was not required for registration but is defined in IMA’s Bylaws: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
Keep in mind IMA’s officer positions with the exception of Vice President that is currently vacant are occupied by a founding member that volunteered to fulfill the duties and allow his name and personal information to be used for legal establishment of the organization. The first annual IMA meeting that will consist of an election for officers and discussion about possible amendments to the bylaws will be held in December 2017, as planned on IMA’s proposal:ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
If you wish to help us to translate these news, please add them to the comments. Moreover, please also let others know that you are working on to provide the translation, and on what languages it will be. We will provide a link to that translation here on the news article, when the translation is available. Thank you in advance.
= FR =
La présente communication a été rédigée conjointement par l'équipe IMA. N'hésitez pas à la diffuser.
Comme vous l'avez appris, M. Christophe Ruelle a signé la lettre d'intention confirmant son acceptation de la proposition de l'IMA. Vous trouverez une copie de ce document sur le site web de l'IMA à l'adresse suivante: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
Le président de l'IMA, Eric Desjours, signera une copie de cette lettre pour les archives de l'IMA. Elle ne requiert aucune autre signature.
Rappelez-vous que cet accord avec IMA reste une lettre d'intention émanant de Christophe. Ce n'est pas l'accord juridique final. Ipernity S.A. doit passer par une procédure légale pour transférer ses actifs tels que la plate-forme ipernity à une tierce partie telle que l'IMA. Pour l'exécution de cette procédure, un administrateur juridique sera nommé qui doit évaluer les termes et conditions de ce transfert et donner son approbation finale pour entériner l'opération. Dans de tels cas, il est toujours possible que l'administrateur légal n'accepte pas l'accord en question. Cependant, nous sommes très confiants que l'accord avec Christophe Ruelle et Ipernity S.A. est acceptable et, par conséquent, nous considérons ce risque comme minime.
La procédure pour parvenir à l'accord légal définitif peut prendre plusieurs semaines. L'IMA a collecté l'argent via le crowdfunding et commencera très prochainement à l'utiliser comme expliqué sur la lettre d'intention. Veuillez vous reporter à cette lettre pour plus de détails.
Christophe nous a informé qu'il pourrait modifier le prix de l'adhésion au Club Ipernity au mois de Mai. L'IMA vous conseille de ne pas renouveler votre adhésion et d'attendre que l'accord juridique soit acquis et que le compte bancaire de paiement soit mis à jour. Nous vous signalerons le moment où cette transition sera effective et où nous vous recommanderons de vous ré-inscrire.
Si vous renouvelez votre adhésion après augmentation du tarif par Christophe, l'IMA respectera votre choix. Cependant, nous ne pourrons pas garantir que les frais que vous aurez engagés seront reconnus ultérieurement comme votre cotisation à l'IMA, car certaines des conditions du transfert de responsabilité dépendent fortement des dispositions légales qui seront prises par l'administrateur et par Ipernity S.A. En particulier en ce qui concerne la demande faite par notre proposition de déduire le montant de ces adhésions des obligations financières de l'IMA. Par conséquent, nous vous invitons à prendre une décision prudente concernant votre renouvellement.
Nous vous informons enfin que nous avons accueilli Pam Johnson au sein l'équipe IMA. La liste des fondateurs de l'IMA comprend donc maintenant les personnes suivantes (par ordre alphabétique des noms) :
Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup
En outre, les personnes suivantes travaillent pour et avec IMA jusqu'à nouvel ordre :
Christophe Ruelle, administration volontaire des serveurs et consultant
Audrey Marche, administration du site hébergé
Nous allons bientôt attribuer le poste de vice-président de l'IMA qui n'était pas requis pour la déclaration officielle de l'association, mais qui est défini dans les statuts de l'IMA: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
Veuillez garder à l'esprit que les postes de membres du Bureau de l'IMA, à l'exception du vice-président actuellement vacant, sont occupés par des membres fondateurs qui se sont portés volontaires pour s'acquitter des tâches requises et autoriser l'utilisation de leurs noms et autres renseignements personnels pour l'établissement légal de l'association. La première réunion annuelle de l'IMA, qui comprendra une élection des membres du Conseil d'Administration et la discussion portant sur les éventuelles modifications des statuts, se tiendra en décembre 2017, comme prévu par la proposition de l'IMA:ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
Si vous souhaitez nous aider à traduire cette note d’information dans d'autres langues, faites nous le savoir dans vos commentaires. De plus, veuillez faire savoir aux autres que vous travaillez à cette traduction et la langue choisie. Nous mettrons un lien vers cette traduction ici, dans l'article des nouvelles de l'IMA, lorsque votre traduction sera disponible. Merci d'avance ! 12 hours ago.
= DE =
Das Folgende wurde vom IMA Team gemeinsam verfasst. Jede Weiterverbreitung ist herzlich willkommen.
Wie viele schon wissen hat Herr Christophe Ruelle die Absichtserklärung unterzeichnet, in der er die Annahme des Vorschlags von IMA bestätigt. Eine Kopie dieses Dokuments befindet sich auf der IMA Webseite: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
Der Präsident der IMA, Eric Desjours, wird eine Kopie für IMAs Unterlagen unterzeichnen. Diese Absichtserklärung bedarf keiner weiteren Unterzeichner.
Bitte erinnern Sie sich, dass die Vereinbarung mit IMA immer schon Christophe’s Intention war. Dieses Dokument ist nicht die endgültige rechtliche Vereinbarung. Ipernity S.A. muss durch einen gesetzlich vorgeschriebenen Prozess gehen, um Vermögenswerte wie die IPernity-Plattform auf eine Drittpartei wie IMA übertragen zu können. Um diesen Prozess durchzuführen, wird ein gesetzlicher Verwalter benannt, der die Bedingungen und Konditionen dieser Übertragung beurteilen muss und die endgültige Genehmigung zum Abschluss des Geschäftes erteilt. In solchen Fällen kann es immer auch passieren, dass der gesetzliche Verwalter das vereinbarte Abkommen nicht akzeptiert. Allerdings sind wir sehr zuversichtlich, dass das mit Christophe Ruelle und Ipernity S.A. vereinbarte Abkommen für den Verwalter akzeptabel ist, und deshalb schätzen wir das mit diesem Vorgang verbundene Risiko als minimal ein.
Der Ablauf bis zur Erreichung einer endgültigen gesetzlich zugelassenen Vereinbarung kann mehrere Wochen dauern. IMA hat Geld über Crowdfunding gesammelt und wird nun damit beginnen, es so einzusetzen, wie wie es in der Absichtserklärung erläutert ist. Für weitere Details lesen Sie bitte diese Absichtserklärung.
Christophe hat uns mitgeteilt, dass er die Preise für die Ipernity Club Mitgliedschaft im Mai ändern könnte. IMA bittet Sie, Ihre Mitgliedschaft noch nicht zu verlängern, sondern zu warten, bis eine rechtliche Vereinbarung getroffen ist und das Bankkonto für Einzahlungen geändert ist. IMA wird bekannt geben, wann wir Ihnen empfehlen mit der Zahlung von Mitgliedsbeiträgen zu beginnen.
Falls Sie dennoch Ihre Mitgliedschaft nach der von Christophe angekündigten Beitragserhöhung zahlen sollten, wird IMA Ihre Entscheidung natürlich respektieren. Allerdings sind wir nicht in der Lage, eine Anerkennung dieser bezahlten Erneuerungsgebühren als zukünftige IMA-Mitgliedsbeiträge zu garantieren, da einige der Übergangsbedingungen in hohem Maße von den rechtlichen Entscheidungen des Verwalters abhängen wie zum Beispiel, ob solche Zahlungen mit zukünftigen Verbindlichkeiten der IMA gegenüber der Ipernity S.A. gegenverrechnet werden können.
Deshalb bitten wir Sie nachdrücklich, eine umsichtige Entscheidung bezüglich der Vertragsverlängerungsbedingungen und -zahlungen zu treffen.
Wir begrüßen nun auch Pam Johnson in unserem IMA Team. Das Gründungs-IMA-Gremium umfasst nun folgende Personen (in alphabetischer Reihenfolge der Nachnamen):
Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup
Darüber hinaus werden die folgenden Personen bnis auf Widerruf für und mit IMA arbeiten:
Christophe Ruelle, freiwillige Serververwaltung und Beratung
Audrey Marche, angestellte Website Administratorin
Wir werden demnächst die Position des IMA-Vizepräsidenten besetzen, die für die Registrierung nicht benötigt wurde, aber in den Statuten von IMA definiert ist: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
Denken Sie daran, IMA Vorstands-Positionen mit Ausnahme der derzeitig vakanten Vizepräsidenten-Position, werden von einem Gründungsmitglied wahrgenommen, das sich freiwillig zur Verfügung stellt, die entsprechenden Verpflichtungen wahrzunehmen und gestattet, dass sein Name und seine persönlichen Angaben zur rechtswirksamen Gründung der Organisation verwendet werden.
Die erste jährliche IMA-Sitzung, die aus der Wahl der Vorstände und einer Diskussion über mögliche Satzungsanpassungen bestehen wird, findet im Dezember 2017 statt, wie im IMA-Vorschlag geplant: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
Wenn Sie uns helfen wollen, diese News zu übersetzen, fügen Sie sie bitte den Kommentaren hinzu. Darüber hinaus lassen Sie bitte auch andere wissen, dass Sie an einer Übersetzung arbeiten und in welcher Sprache. Wir werden einen Link zu dieser Übersetzung hier auf dem News-Artikel zur Verfügung stellen, sobald die Übersetzung verfügbar ist. Vielen Dank im Voraus.
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StoneRoad2013 clubA succinct summary of the current situation.
I really don't know what to do (stay or not).
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubThis is the text of the email I received:
Your ipernity Club subscription has recently expired or is about to expire.
Maybe you hesitated to renew your subscription because of the risk of a service shurdown we had announced last December ...? Don't worry anymore, we have good news :-)
If you did not follow the Team Blog, we are happy to announce that we have accepted to transfer the ipernity platform to the IMA (Ipernity Member Association), a non-profit organisation.
This transfer would not have been possible without your help, and the donations many of you have done to the IMA via Generosity.
The survival of ipernity also depends on its financial equilibrium. The IMA's February survey confirmed that the majority of you agreed to see the Club Membership fee doubled.
It is vital that you renew your subscription as soon as possible, in order to allow ipernity to cover the running costs for the next 4 to 8 weeks, until the transfer to the IMA is effective.
Your Club subscription will of course be kept after the transfer to the IMA.
Renew today your Club subscription by following this link : www.ipernity.com/club
Thank you for your support and for your trust.
Ipernity team
FarbFormFreude club has replied to JohanIt says "Your ipernity Club subscription has recently expired or is about to expire. " - BUT THAT's NOT TRUE. There are still 7 weeks until my membership expires.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to FarbFormFreude clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to Johanwe have come so far and dont want to loose out here wish the two parties would make there intention plain here. I hope by now we are not still playing games.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Steve Paxton clubIt looks if he is and will be in control of the site for the coming 6-8 weeks with most probably a devastating impact on the number of members and the financial situation of IMA; where IMA is paying the bills and ‘monsieur’ CR is still collecting money. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is trying to save ‘his’ site with the new (and higher) fees.
According to the promises at the start of the crowdfunding campaign the money would be used for paying the costs of the months March and April and IMA should take over control of the site and would start to get enough ‘new’ paying members in May. It looks if this will not happen.
As I have no trust in the project any longer I’m wondering if I could get back my crowdfunding donations (€ 150,-).
First of all, it is already discussed and said the old membership payments very likely can't be valid after IMA takeover. Therefore it is only reasonable to declare the continuing memberships to expire when the takeover is estimated to happen.
IMA will do all it's best to compromise here. IMA has already promised to pay the April and May, and maybe we need to do so even for June, if the legal process takes even 8 weeks.
And personally I would remind you how much Christophe has already done to make the transition easier and even cheaper. He even gave up on putting price for the code, which would have been quite a heavy burden for IMA.
Please let IMA to solve this together with Christophe, and please avoid making hasty conclusions and comment.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubThat is not as it was promised bij the start of the crowdfunding campaign and that's exactly why I'm asking my money back. I just don't trust this ongoing delays, which makes that more and more members will leave. I really think it will be impossible to find 1400 (or more) paying members in June or July !!
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubWhy is 'monsieur' CR telling the opposite in his recent mails ??
Clint has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubAnd on the subject of that jig, at some point I think the IMA is going to have to recalibrate its budget forecast, as that 95-euro deficit it's projecting at the end of year 1 is looking less and less like a real number than the estimate with a margin of error numbering in the thousands it's always been. Based on how all this is going, I see no way the company's going to come out of this process with 1,400 members, and I see little chance of you guys managing the 5% growth in membership you're projecting.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to ClintPam J clubMonies are allocated.
ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
IMA have dealt in business before.
Incendiary comments
Pam J clubHere
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/187276
or here
www.ipernity.com/doc/serola/44704328
or here
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604
= EN =
"Christophe has informed us he may change the Ipernity Club membership prices in May. IMA asks you not to renew your membership yet but wait until legal agreement is done and bank account for payments is changed. IMA will announce when we recommend you start paying membership fees.
If you do pay your membership after they become increased by Christophe, IMA will respect your choice. However we are not in the position to guarantee any acknowledgement of paid renewal fees as IMA membership fees because some of the transition conditions are highly dependent on legal decisions by the administrator and Ipernity S.A. deducting such payments from IMA obligations under the agreement. Therefore we urge you to make a prudent decision regarding renewal terms and payments."
= FR =
Christophe nous a informé qu'il pourrait modifier le prix de l'adhésion au Club Ipernity au mois de Mai. L'IMA vous conseille de ne pas renouveler votre adhésion et d'attendre que l'accord juridique soit acquis et que le compte bancaire de paiement soit mis à jour. Nous vous signalerons le moment où cette transition sera effective et où nous vous recommanderons de vous ré-inscrire.
Si vous renouvelez votre adhésion après augmentation du tarif par Christophe, l'IMA respectera votre choix. Cependant, nous ne pourrons pas garantir que les frais que vous aurez engagés seront reconnus ultérieurement comme votre cotisation à l'IMA, car certaines des conditions du transfert de responsabilité dépendent fortement des dispositions légales qui seront prises par l'administrateur et par Ipernity S.A. En particulier en ce qui concerne la demande faite par notre proposition de déduire le montant de ces adhésions des obligations financières de l'IMA.
Par conséquent, nous vous invitons à prendre une décision prudente concernant votre renouvellement.
= DE =
Christophe hat uns mitgeteilt, dass er die Preise für die Ipernity Club Mitgliedschaft im Mai ändern könnte. IMA bittet Sie, Ihre Mitgliedschaft noch nicht zu verlängern, sondern zu warten, bis eine rechtliche Vereinbarung getroffen ist und das Bankkonto für Einzahlungen geändert ist. IMA wird bekannt geben, wann wir Ihnen empfehlen mit der Zahlung von Mitgliedsbeiträgen zu beginnen.
Falls Sie dennoch Ihre Mitgliedschaft nach der von Christophe angekündigten Beitragserhöhung zahlen sollten, wird IMA Ihre Entscheidung natürlich respektieren. Allerdings sind wir nicht in der Lage, eine Anerkennung dieser bezahlten Erneuerungsgebühren als zukünftige IMA-Mitgliedsbeiträge zu garantieren, da einige der Übergangsbedingungen in hohem Maße von den rechtlichen Entscheidungen des Verwalters abhängen wie zum Beispiel, ob solche Zahlungen mit zukünftigen Verbindlichkeiten der IMA gegenüber der Ipernity S.A. gegenverrechnet werden können.
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ALSO
The IMA has made it very clear that monies ARE allocated for paying the Server costs etc
Speculating and second guessing are not helping anyone.
Its frustrating for ALL
The IMA do not "own" the site till ALL the legal work is done.. that as stated several times before in several places... could be 4-8 weeks.(This is very NORMAL)
The IMA...... have NO access to site "anything" till it is all handed over !
Please... all of us are trying the BEST we can to make the good stuff happen. Don't despair... just continue to trust the IMA... I do... its why I am there with them now (and having been through 5 years of this with another site I wouldnt not be with them if I had doubts ) ... and doing the best I can to help.
Many Thanks
Pam
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Pam J clubiam pissed also and its normal...cause we care.
Even as the process for finalizing a transfer of the Ipernity platform to the IMA is underway and the passage of time challenge one's patience, it is essential that club members do not lose sight of the big picture.
Three vital facts stand out:
1. The Ipernity platform is still here. It has not become a footnote in Internet History that lives only in frozen form on the Internet Archive: Wayback Machine.
2. A sustainable future for the platform is now more closely in reach than it was even weeks ago.
3. The IMA team is committed to making every good faith effort to secure that sustainable future for all who have come to love this site. Many have. Many still do.
We recognize that the Ipernity photo-sharing platform is more than a collection of photos. It is a vibrant, living, global, sharing community of people. The content they bring literally each hour of every day is unique, enriching, and inspiring. The contacts and interactions among this multicultural community is what provides real meaning to all who participate.
Many small details and other minutia related to operational details and policy implementation remain to be resolved. That blizzard of details should not be permitted to obscure the three facts cited above. Very real and significant progress has been achieved.
I realize that a continuing measure of uncertainty is unavoidable under the present circumstances and that uncertainty can sap courage and tempt one with doubt. What really matters right now is that the journey toward a sustainable future for the platform is no longer a wish, dream, or theoretical concept. That journey has not only not only commenced, but also is now well underway. Important milestones have been reached. The journey continues.
Therefore, challenging as some might find it, a measure of patience, a degree of belief in the project, and some recognition of the determination of those who have come together to pursue this project would be far more productive than counsels of doubt, fear, or worse. Despite the risks involved and the commitments required, a number of Ipernity members have joined together to pursue this project. We have undertaken to save the platform, because we truly believe that Ipernity's remarkable community is a treasure in that it brings people from all across the world together in sharing, caring, and living. Against the backdrop of stiffening macro-scale trends and forces now sweeping parts of the world that seek to divide and polarize, one cannot overstate the value of just such a community that brings people together. We believe that trying to secure its future is the right thing to do.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Don Sutherland clubFor a sustainable future of Ipernity you do need a reliable partner. After his email action of yesterday it seems to me he is everything but that !!
I do not know who is to blame here, but it is unfair to expect the ordinary Club members to understand what is going on. Everyone who paid based on this email should have their membership extended when the IMA takes over. Let IMA and Ipernity sort out how to interprete "Your Club subscription will of course be kept after the transfer to the IMA." but do not put the burden on the ordinary members.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to JohanTreasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to JohanIP/SA are clearly stating that any renewed club subscriptions paid now to them IP/SA will be retained by them.
So if the IMA be successful in gaining ownership of the site. IP/SA will not extend the club status on to IMA. End of Story. I will not pay IP/Sa and then have to pay IMA later another subscription if they gain ownership of the site.
Please can it all be organised in ONE PLACE if possible. I know the IMA team are very busy right now, and are working tirelessly to keep us all together.. Let's hope that some of the powers that be, mentioning no names, are not creating a platform of divide and rule.
Peggy C club has replied to Amelia clubTreasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Amelia clubJohn.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Stormlizard club1. ZUERST sollte CR für JETZT eingehende Mitgliedsbeiträge SOFORT die Kontodaten der IMA ins System eingeben.
2. DANN könnte IMA im Gegenzug die Serverkosten für März bis Mai an Ipernity S.A. aus den Spendengeldern überweisen.
... wenigstens DAS entspräche dann dem bisherigen Zeit- und Ablaufplan (Phase 1 und 2).
To all,
The crowdfunding objective did not change. The main purpose remains to save the site. However with the passage of time and negotiations there was a mere reallocation of some funds. For instance 5,000 Euros for March costs were allocated for legal expenses since the March amount was in exchange waived by Christophe during talks. If money does exist past May, it would be prudent to continue to invest it into the site.
Also while there appears to be a big difference between IMA's and Christophe's position, it may not necessarily be as bad as some say since it has led to discussions to resolve issues that were put aside previously because of their complexity. IMA sent a proposal to CR this morning and if we agree, we can be on the same page.
The proposal is as follows:
1. IP SA's lawyer gives the assurance that the takeover will be successful since he has extensive experience in dealing with this issue so IMA's concern about members losing their money if the administrator rules unfavorably can be addressed. We have this concern because we are looking out for the members and do not want to see anyone lose their money.
2. CR agrees to provide a daily report of membership renewals. We would publish a list in a thread and update it so people could verify if their name is included. If a name is omitted, people could email a screenshot of their subscription history that would show the renewal so we could honor the membership. At the same time this daily report would allow IMA to offset obligations to IP SA eliminating the concern IP SA would be forced to honor renewed memberships at the new price without receiving revenue to pay the site's operating costs.
Until then, please remain calm and know IMA continues to work on your behalf, which is why there have been at times delays since negotiations are not always easy. Still we remain well ahead of Blipfoto's progress at this point so it is not that bad.
Best regards,
William
I'm sorry but my English is not good enough to understand what he is saying (especially number 2).
madSec has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubAs far as I understand point 2 he proposes to collect names of membership renewals to have that info for later. That should address the concern that renewals are lost and it sounds like there will be some solution for members that renewed their club membership from now on, although he doesn't promisse anything there.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to madSecwww.ipernity.com/doc/serola/44704328/in/group/2260604
Well worth reading through to get info I have missed because they info has not appeared in any blog I have read to date.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaI really don't understand it.
I find this confusing also. But from what i gather is
1 This is a proposal only to CR. William is asking him to Publish a list daily ( in a thread/ blogg) showing the names of members who are renewing their subscriptions.
2 The Publication of this list would allow the the IMA to use the list to know what financial progress is being made.
3 This financial information would allow the IMA to know what future or final burden the IMA will have to deal with when it comes to continued progress of gaining ownership of the site from IP/SA.
Now Jaap I am not saying I am interpreting No 2 right but it the best I .can do in trying to understand.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaRrrolf club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaThree month given to Ipernity S.A. is acceptable for several reasons:
1) We get some picture on how many there are still "on board" and wiling to continue after takeover.
2) Ipernity S.A. would look better for legal administrator deciding Ipernity's future, if there still are enough active and paying members. It proves the web site not totally dead and worth saving.
3) We could say Chritophe also deserves to get something after already giving so much to IMA (helping to cut down the server costs, implementing the new doubled prices on behalf of IMA already, and taking the blame on announcing the accounts become expired around June).
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubThe answer to this would be that IP/SA would actually divulge how many active members they have. This they promised to do when they deleted the non active dormant accounts They never finished this project. In my contacts I see so many who have not been active going back to 2013/14/15
2) Again it is up to SA to actually declare how many members are actually paying members.
3) It is my humble opinion that the onus is on IP/SA actually declare how much financial debt they have accrued which would to allow members to assess the viability of saving the site financially before members pour in any more money to IP/Sa.
To put it plainly Members need the facts and figures before they continue to support IP financially. Me I don't intend to pay one cent until I know what I am paying for.
Don't mean to be negative. But I want to know what I would be paying for. For example a site that is beyond recovery financially or a site that has a possibility of a financial future.
Edited
I do not want anybody gifting me a club subscription. I am not wanting to be beholding to anyone even a friend. I pay my own way when I decide to do so.
Rrrolf club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaTreasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Rrrolf clubDo we have to start negotiations again??? It takes at least two sides to negotiate and it is obvious one side is definitely missing. No prizes for guessing which one. ha ha ha.
We are being left in the dark. IP/SA have not been transparent or honest on the situation they are in. The have reneged on all their promises to keep the members in the loop. IMA can do nothing about that situation as they are also in the dark. End of story.
I feel IP/SA are only interested in trying fooling members to pay subs under different schemes.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaRrrolf club has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaJaap van 't Veen club has replied to Peggy C clubIn the meantime There is no money left in the IP SA account to continue operations until the authorities have approved the arrangement which may take another 4 weeks or more. As a result Christophe is having to raise funds by collecting lapsed membership fees and presumably wages for Audrey.
There now seems to be a debate that if renewals are taken up with IP SA will the unused time left on the membership be honored by the IMA if and when the arrangement has been approved. Now the bit I am unclear about is Who is paying the server cost to Amazon for May?.
I am sorry if this does not make easy reading once translated into other languages.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to HappySnapperAnd according to CR Ipernity SA is indeed broke. Now because we again seem to lost the understanding on terms of agreement, CR started to run his own quest to collect subscription fees to IP SA before takeover has been ratified. CR also gave premature false promises saying in his email that those payments would be acknowledged without a question. But IMA's official opinion still is to please wait until we clearly announce it is okay to start paying subscriptions.
However, IMA is now kind of forced to accept it if someone indeed pays subscriptions to IP SA. And therefore IMA will insist we need to get compensation on those payments from the April and May server cost payments. But the question is, how can we follow and control who exactly have or will pay the subscription before takeover? Only way is that people then should take a screen capture to prove it to IMA.
And another problem is that CR's email has reached every damn user, but over pitiful post reach only IMA group members. If some people have payed to IP SA and not seen IMA's posts, then there is no way to confirm those cases, or we can rely only CR's word on this. Or maybe some day, if IMA finally gets control, we can try to check those cases later on.
Altogether this turned out very messy and ugly, again, just when I thought we had seen it all.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubAnd let's not forget that when people committed to the crowdfunding it was on the basis that:
"All funds donated will be retained by the association of members and be returned in full if the takeover bid fails".
I'm almost scared to ask how all of the latest machinations have impacted on the IMA's ability to honour that pledge should things now fail to materialise in a deal?
Pam J club has replied to autofantasia clubThe IMA do not have the crowdfunding money. Generosity still hold it at the IMA's request. The money is still returnable IF the deal falls through.
Hope that reassures... the pledge is still in place
Heidiho club has replied to Pam J clubLast information was, the transfer has to be finished until the end of April .... ?!
Rrrolf club has replied to Heidiho clubwww.ipernity.com/doc/2218680/44750832/comment/50765314#comment50765314
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Heidiho clubHeidiho club has replied to Rrrolf clubAber irgendwo anders hab' ich gelesen, daß IMA jetzt ein Bankkonto (in Kalifornien) eingerichtet hat ... eben WEIL Generosity zu Monatsende April die Spendengeldern dorthin überweisen wollte, sollte, mußte ...
autofantasia club has replied to Pam J clubI'm guessing (trying to believe he is indeed genuine) that it's the fact that the IMA can't release any funds yet to Ipernity that is perhaps why Christophe is suddenly so desperate to get some cash in to keep the ship afloat.
However, even giving him that benefit of the doubt, one has to say he has yet again gone about it in a ham-fisted manner that is only serving to alienate more and more of the people that have been supportive of him in the past.
I mean why on earth couldn't he just trust us to support him through this difficult time? I'm sure if he'd left the rates as they were and given all users access to a 1 month and a 3 month option to extend our membership the majority of us would have done so.
It's the fact that he's hiked the rates so dramatically and only giving current Club members (and I'm guessing current free users) the choice of a 12 month or a 24 month package that's really got me so hacked off.
Sometimes you can generate more revenue by offering something at a cheap or at least fair rate than you can by setting the bar ridiculously high and making people question if they're being ripped off.
And then there's the whole matter of whether or not the IMA has now been forced into having to recognise existing subscriptions that are still valid when they take over. Previously, as I understood it the idea was we'd all start at zero, with just a free account, and then all have to become members of the IMA to gain or regain the benefits of being in the Club.
However, some of the statements I've seen being made by IMA 'founders' suggests that you guys are now feeling as if you will have to 'honour' any subscriptions that Christophe's latest scheme generates, but then if you do that it surely means you will have to recognise all existing subscriptions regardless of when they were taken out?
It's a mess for sure, but I think we all know where the blame for that lies and it isn't with the IMA ... I just hope for everyone's sake you can keep the negotiations going and somehow still manage to strike a deal.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to autofantasia clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to autofantasia clubThe way 'monsieur' CR is acting is ridiculous, unfair and misleading (if even not worse) !!
He really should behave as a reliable partner. But I'm afraid .....
Rrrolf club has replied to Heidiho clubSo wie ich Pam J verstehe, ist unser Crowdfunding-Geld immer noch bei Generosity (und sicher).
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/187276/comment/50768250#comment50768250
Sollte es bereits ein IMA-Konto geben (ob in Kalifornien oder auf den Bahamas), so wurde es noch nicht kommuniziert. Zum Glück, denn sonst wäre die Konfusion perfekt.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to autofantasia clubWe have gotten this far ...
Breathe .. exhale ... repeat TFN ...
No, I don't like it ..
Doubt anyone in the IMA does either ...
It is what it is --
What it becomes is up to the rest of us ....
Pam J club has replied to Peggy C clubAppreciated.
So long, and thanks for all the fish ;-)
Rrrolf club has replied to JohanEs ist hart und schmerzhaft für uns auf die vielen Clubvorteile verzichten zu müssen, aber je länger es dauert, um so mehr werden wir. ;-)
I'm with you, Johan, I´m the same. And yet I hope that you and all other "dormant" club members will stay with the flag. It is probably a lean period we have to cope. Luckily, we have the opportunity to keep us informed and to participate in the discussions, if necessary.
It is hard and painful for us to forego the many club benefits, but the longer it takes, the more we become. ;-)
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to JohanI'm afraid more and more members will do the same. When IMA starts with its campaign there is 'nobody' left here !! This is all completely opposite the original timepath saying Phase Two - Membership Renewal: 1 May 2017-31 May 2017.
Rrrolf club has replied to dgmphoto clubHappySnapper has replied to dgmphoto clubfucking shit!
Under the circumstances, I will not be renewing unless and until IMA takes over. If my name is not on membership rolls that get turned over to IMA, add me in because I will rejoin. Also, I gave twice the suggested amount to the crowd funding campaign without any expectation that any of it would be returned if the deal fell through and despite any pledges by IMA that it would be. If that donation should be used in an unsuccessful bid to acquire the site, so be it.
In the meantime, my site participation has and will continue to decline because I am not willing to invest much time here if it will all be for naught. I never gave up my Flickr pro account but really would rather stay here than return there. I will be checking here every day with fingers crossed for good news.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Ceropegia clubHappySnapper has replied to Treasa Ui CionaodhaMarko Novosel club has replied to Jonathan Cohen clubI even went on Ip twitter and ask wtf is going on,of course my first thought was...its done,site is off,unplugged.
Pam J club has replied to Jonathan Cohen clubPam J club has replied to Marko Novosel clubraingirl club has replied to Pam J clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to Jonathan Cohen clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to Pam J clubToo coincidentally that they came together with the latest problems of IPernity SA.
StoneRoad2013 club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubJaap van 't Veen club has replied to StoneRoad2013 club╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club has replied to Jonathan Cohen clubI'm in East Anglia, UK
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Jonathan Cohen clubTreasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to StoneRoad2013 clubTreasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to HappySnapperTried to open My Ipernity news and got this message
This page isn’t working
www.ipernity.com is currently unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 503
So is it the IP Server going down
And now this when I tried to post a comment
A communication error has occurred. Please check your Internet access.
There is definitely a problem with the IP Server. I immediately checked my mail and chose a flick mail. Flickr opened immediately and with no problems. I checked two other sites and none had server issues.
MY WORRY IS:
If IP/SA or Amazon pull the plug on the IP server (possibly for non payments for sever use) then the IMA will loose the ability to refund the Generosity funds to members.
4.5.: 23:19
5.5.: 09:11
5.5.: 21:15
6.5.: 23:25
7.5: 03:29
www.isitdownrightnow.com/ipernity.com.html
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Rrrolf clubRrrolf club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha...
Bergfex
In the meatime I do believe, that we are riding a dead horse. If there isn't any positive reaction from Mr. Ruelle until tomorrow morning, I'm not longer in the position to support IMA. (He also didn't answer to the urgent request of William Sutherland to reactive the 3-months option.)
Ich glaube inzwischen auch, dass IMA ein totes Pferd reitet. Wenn bis morgen keine positive Reaktion von Herrn Ruelle kommt, kann ich die IMA leider nicht mehr unterstützen. (Er hat auch intern noch nicht auf eine dringende Aufforderung von William Sutherland reagiert, das alte 3-Monats-Abo zu reaktivieren.)
vor 7 Stunden.
Tess Query
Hi William
First I say I appreciate your (&IMA) efforts and input into the negotiations between the IMA and IP/SA.
Having said that at this stage it is no longer fair not to provide members too any information regarding the progress ( or lack of it) between the two groups. Ipernity is loosing so much in the way of activity or interest in the site. I am putting this down to lack of information from you and the IMA Team. We cannot rely on any input from IP/SA. Please give us the update to which we are entitled too.
Regards Tess.
PS
From my personal perspective without an update I intend to deactivate my account within the coming days. I am tired of being left whistling in the wind or feeling I am howling at the Moon.,.
Regards Tess.
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