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IMA NEWS May 2, 2017


Sami Serola (inactive)
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This news has been written collaboratively by the IMA team. Please feel free to share the news elsewhere.

As many have already noticed, Mr. Christophe Ruelle has signed the letter of intent confirming his acceptance of IMA's proposal. A copy of this document can be found on the IMA website at: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal

IMA President, Eric Desjours will sign one copy for IMA’s records. This letter of intent does not require anyone else’s signatures.

Please remember the agreement with IMA has all along been Christophe’s intent. This document is not the final legal agreement. Ipernity S.A. needs to go through a legally required process to be able to transfer assets such as the ipernity platform to a 3rd party such as IMA. In order to perform this process a legal administrator will be appointed who needs to assess the terms and conditions of this transfer and give final approval to complete the deal. In such cases there is always a chance that the legal administrator does not accept the agreed deal. However, we are very confident that the deal agreed upon with Christophe Ruelle and Ipernity S.A. is acceptable for the administrator and therefore we consider the associated risk minimal.

The process for achieving a final legally approved agreement may take several weeks. IMA has collected the crowdfunding money, and will start to use it as explained on the letter of intent. Please read through that letter of intent for more details.

Christophe has informed us he may change the Ipernity Club membership prices in May. IMA asks you not to renew your membership yet but wait until legal agreement is done and bank account for payments is changed. IMA will announce when we recommend you start paying membership fees.

If you do pay your membership after they become increased by Christophe, IMA will respect your choice. However we are not in the position to guarantee any acknowledgement of paid renewal fees as IMA membership fees because some of the transition conditions are highly dependent on legal decisions by the administrator and Ipernity S.A. deducting such payments from IMA obligations under the agreement. Therefore we urge you to make a prudent decision regarding renewal terms and payments.


We have now also welcomed Pam Johnson to join our IMA team. The founding IMA board now includes the following people (in alphabetical order according to surnames):

Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup

Moreover, the following persons will work for and with IMA until decided differently:
Christophe Ruelle, voluntary server administration and consultancy Audrey Marche, hired site administration

We will soon fill the position of IMA Vice President that was not required for registration but is defined in IMA’s Bylaws: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws
Keep in mind IMA’s officer positions with the exception of Vice President that is currently vacant are occupied by a founding member that volunteered to fulfill the duties and allow his name and personal information to be used for legal establishment of the organization. The first annual IMA meeting that will consist of an election for officers and discussion about possible amendments to the bylaws will be held in December 2017, as planned on IMA’s proposal:ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws

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La présente communication a été rédigée conjointement par l'équipe IMA. N'hésitez pas à la diffuser.

Comme vous l'avez appris, M. Christophe Ruelle a signé la lettre d'intention confirmant son acceptation de la proposition de l'IMA. Vous trouverez une copie de ce document sur le site web de l'IMA à l'adresse suivante: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal

Le président de l'IMA, Eric Desjours, signera une copie de cette lettre pour les archives de l'IMA. Elle ne requiert aucune autre signature.

Rappelez-vous que cet accord avec IMA reste une lettre d'intention émanant de Christophe. Ce n'est pas l'accord juridique final. Ipernity S.A. doit passer par une procédure légale pour transférer ses actifs tels que la plate-forme ipernity à une tierce partie telle que l'IMA. Pour l'exécution de cette procédure, un administrateur juridique sera nommé qui doit évaluer les termes et conditions de ce transfert et donner son approbation finale pour entériner l'opération. Dans de tels cas, il est toujours possible que l'administrateur légal n'accepte pas l'accord en question. Cependant, nous sommes très confiants que l'accord avec Christophe Ruelle et Ipernity S.A. est acceptable et, par conséquent, nous considérons ce risque comme minime.
La procédure pour parvenir à l'accord légal définitif peut prendre plusieurs semaines. L'IMA a collecté l'argent via le crowdfunding et commencera très prochainement à l'utiliser comme expliqué sur la lettre d'intention. Veuillez vous reporter à cette lettre pour plus de détails.

Christophe nous a informé qu'il pourrait modifier le prix de l'adhésion au Club Ipernity au mois de Mai. L'IMA vous conseille de ne pas renouveler votre adhésion et d'attendre que l'accord juridique soit acquis et que le compte bancaire de paiement soit mis à jour. Nous vous signalerons le moment où cette transition sera effective et où nous vous recommanderons de vous ré-inscrire.

Si vous renouvelez votre adhésion après augmentation du tarif par Christophe, l'IMA respectera votre choix. Cependant, nous ne pourrons pas garantir que les frais que vous aurez engagés seront reconnus ultérieurement comme votre cotisation à l'IMA, car certaines des conditions du transfert de responsabilité dépendent fortement des dispositions légales qui seront prises par l'administrateur et par Ipernity S.A. En particulier en ce qui concerne la demande faite par notre proposition de déduire le montant de ces adhésions des obligations financières de l'IMA. Par conséquent, nous vous invitons à prendre une décision prudente concernant votre renouvellement.


Nous vous informons enfin que nous avons accueilli Pam Johnson au sein l'équipe IMA. La liste des fondateurs de l'IMA comprend donc maintenant les personnes suivantes (par ordre alphabétique des noms) :

Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup

En outre, les personnes suivantes travaillent pour et avec IMA jusqu'à nouvel ordre :

Christophe Ruelle, administration volontaire des serveurs et consultant
Audrey Marche, administration du site hébergé

Nous allons bientôt attribuer le poste de vice-président de l'IMA qui n'était pas requis pour la déclaration officielle de l'association, mais qui est défini dans les statuts de l'IMA: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws

Veuillez garder à l'esprit que les postes de membres du Bureau de l'IMA, à l'exception du vice-président actuellement vacant, sont occupés par des membres fondateurs qui se sont portés volontaires pour s'acquitter des tâches requises et autoriser l'utilisation de leurs noms et autres renseignements personnels pour l'établissement légal de l'association. La première réunion annuelle de l'IMA, qui comprendra une élection des membres du Conseil d'Administration et la discussion portant sur les éventuelles modifications des statuts, se tiendra en décembre 2017, comme prévu par la proposition de l'IMA:ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal

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Das Folgende wurde vom IMA Team gemeinsam verfasst. Jede Weiterverbreitung ist herzlich willkommen.

Wie viele schon wissen hat Herr Christophe Ruelle die Absichtserklärung unterzeichnet, in der er die Annahme des Vorschlags von IMA bestätigt. Eine Kopie dieses Dokuments befindet sich auf der IMA Webseite: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal

Der Präsident der IMA, Eric Desjours, wird eine Kopie für IMAs Unterlagen unterzeichnen. Diese Absichtserklärung bedarf keiner weiteren Unterzeichner.
Bitte erinnern Sie sich, dass die Vereinbarung mit IMA immer schon Christophe’s Intention war. Dieses Dokument ist nicht die endgültige rechtliche Vereinbarung. Ipernity S.A. muss durch einen gesetzlich vorgeschriebenen Prozess gehen, um Vermögenswerte wie die IPernity-Plattform auf eine Drittpartei wie IMA übertragen zu können. Um diesen Prozess durchzuführen, wird ein gesetzlicher Verwalter benannt, der die Bedingungen und Konditionen dieser Übertragung beurteilen muss und die endgültige Genehmigung zum Abschluss des Geschäftes erteilt. In solchen Fällen kann es immer auch passieren, dass der gesetzliche Verwalter das vereinbarte Abkommen nicht akzeptiert. Allerdings sind wir sehr zuversichtlich, dass das mit Christophe Ruelle und Ipernity S.A. vereinbarte Abkommen für den Verwalter akzeptabel ist, und deshalb schätzen wir das mit diesem Vorgang verbundene Risiko als minimal ein.

Der Ablauf bis zur Erreichung einer endgültigen gesetzlich zugelassenen Vereinbarung kann mehrere Wochen dauern. IMA hat Geld über Crowdfunding gesammelt und wird nun damit beginnen, es so einzusetzen, wie wie es in der Absichtserklärung erläutert ist. Für weitere Details lesen Sie bitte diese Absichtserklärung.

Christophe hat uns mitgeteilt, dass er die Preise für die Ipernity Club Mitgliedschaft im Mai ändern könnte. IMA bittet Sie, Ihre Mitgliedschaft noch nicht zu verlängern, sondern zu warten, bis eine rechtliche Vereinbarung getroffen ist und das Bankkonto für Einzahlungen geändert ist. IMA wird bekannt geben, wann wir Ihnen empfehlen mit der Zahlung von Mitgliedsbeiträgen zu beginnen.

Falls Sie dennoch Ihre Mitgliedschaft nach der von Christophe angekündigten Beitragserhöhung zahlen sollten, wird IMA Ihre Entscheidung natürlich respektieren. Allerdings sind wir nicht in der Lage, eine Anerkennung dieser bezahlten Erneuerungsgebühren als zukünftige IMA-Mitgliedsbeiträge zu garantieren, da einige der Übergangsbedingungen in hohem Maße von den rechtlichen Entscheidungen des Verwalters abhängen wie zum Beispiel, ob solche Zahlungen mit zukünftigen Verbindlichkeiten der IMA gegenüber der Ipernity S.A. gegenverrechnet werden können.


Deshalb bitten wir Sie nachdrücklich, eine umsichtige Entscheidung bezüglich der Vertragsverlängerungsbedingungen und -zahlungen zu treffen.

Wir begrüßen nun auch Pam Johnson in unserem IMA Team. Das Gründungs-IMA-Gremium umfasst nun folgende Personen (in alphabetischer Reihenfolge der Nachnamen):

Eric Desjours
Pam Johnson
Lutz Petersen
Sami Serola
Sara Shrives
Don Sutherland
William Sutherland
Claus-Peter Unterberger
Bernhard Westrup

Darüber hinaus werden die folgenden Personen bnis auf Widerruf für und mit IMA arbeiten:

Christophe Ruelle, freiwillige Serververwaltung und Beratung
Audrey Marche, angestellte Website Administratorin

Wir werden demnächst die Position des IMA-Vizepräsidenten besetzen, die für die Registrierung nicht benötigt wurde, aber in den Statuten von IMA definiert ist: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/bylaws

Denken Sie daran, IMA Vorstands-Positionen mit Ausnahme der derzeitig vakanten Vizepräsidenten-Position, werden von einem Gründungsmitglied wahrgenommen, das sich freiwillig zur Verfügung stellt, die entsprechenden Verpflichtungen wahrzunehmen und gestattet, dass sein Name und seine persönlichen Angaben zur rechtswirksamen Gründung der Organisation verwendet werden.

Die erste jährliche IMA-Sitzung, die aus der Wahl der Vorstände und einer Diskussion über mögliche Satzungsanpassungen bestehen wird, findet im Dezember 2017 statt, wie im IMA-Vorschlag geplant: ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal
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155 comments - The latest ones
 StoneRoad2013
StoneRoad2013 club
Thank You, Sami.
A succinct summary of the current situation.
7 years ago.
 Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Thanks for the Update Sami much appreciated.
7 years ago.
 Jaap van 't Veen
Jaap van 't Veen club
I hink the current contradictory/conflicting communication from Ipernity SA and IMA will not help people staying here on Ipernity. For me it is VERY frustrating and annoying and my feelings for the future of Ipernity have sharply fallen !!
I really don't know what to do (stay or not).
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Jaap van 't Veen club
Hi Jaap Since you still Club I think you should stay. Only one of two things will eventually happen. IP/SA will run out of funds to continue to run the site before the legalities of signing the contract is completed, or the IMA will succeed in gaining ownership of the sight.
7 years ago.
 Johan
Johan
I just received an email asking me to renew my Club membership (which expired in April). I understand that we are in a transition period, but since this email references the IMA, it is unclear to me now who authorised it (Ipernity SA or IMA) and where the money goes when I click the renew link.

This is the text of the email I received:

Your ipernity Club subscription has recently expired or is about to expire.

Maybe you hesitated to renew your subscription because of the risk of a service shurdown we had announced last December ...? Don't worry anymore, we have good news :-)

If you did not follow the Team Blog, we are happy to announce that we have accepted to transfer the ipernity platform to the IMA (Ipernity Member Association), a non-profit organisation.

This transfer would not have been possible without your help, and the donations many of you have done to the IMA via Generosity.

The survival of ipernity also depends on its financial equilibrium. The IMA's February survey confirmed that the majority of you agreed to see the Club Membership fee doubled.

It is vital that you renew your subscription as soon as possible, in order to allow ipernity to cover the running costs for the next 4 to 8 weeks, until the transfer to the IMA is effective.

Your Club subscription will of course be kept after the transfer to the IMA.


Renew today your Club subscription by following this link : www.ipernity.com/club

Thank you for your support and for your trust.

Ipernity team
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
FarbFormFreude club has replied to Johan
my club membership runs till 20/06/2017 , but yesterday 02/05/2017 i also received the same mail.

It says "Your ipernity Club subscription has recently expired or is about to expire. " - BUT THAT's NOT TRUE. There are still 7 weeks until my membership expires.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to FarbFormFreude club
'Monsieur' CR is playing NASTY games !!
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Johan
NIETS betalen aan Ipernity SA !!!!!
7 years ago.
 Steve Paxton
Steve Paxton club
Got the very same myself while i am quite happy to pay for three months ( this option is not open to me) to keep the site going till its all finalised I stop at paying any 12 or 24 months with out a solid guarantee the membership will follow on.. I am happy to pay to keep the site running but feel there is not any solid information on this to all the members from IMA but the vailed one from SA. I wish the site to continue but feel there is not enough info from the two parties on there intentions.

we have come so far and dont want to loose out here wish the two parties would make there intention plain here. I hope by now we are not still playing games.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Steve Paxton club
I feel the same: lack of transparency !!
7 years ago.
 Jaap van 't Veen
Jaap van 't Veen club
After reading the more or less ridiculous mailings from Ipernity SA about the renewal of subscriptions I think ‘monsieur’ CR is playing (again) a nasty game with IMA and us as members.

It looks if he is and will be in control of the site for the coming 6-8 weeks with most probably a devastating impact on the number of members and the financial situation of IMA; where IMA is paying the bills and ‘monsieur’ CR is still collecting money. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is trying to save ‘his’ site with the new (and higher) fees.

According to the promises at the start of the crowdfunding campaign the money would be used for paying the costs of the months March and April and IMA should take over control of the site and would start to get enough ‘new’ paying members in May. It looks if this will not happen.

As I have no trust in the project any longer I’m wondering if I could get back my crowdfunding donations (€ 150,-).
7 years ago.
 Sami Serola (inactive)
Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Please try to stay calm.

First of all, it is already discussed and said the old membership payments very likely can't be valid after IMA takeover. Therefore it is only reasonable to declare the continuing memberships to expire when the takeover is estimated to happen.

IMA will do all it's best to compromise here. IMA has already promised to pay the April and May, and maybe we need to do so even for June, if the legal process takes even 8 weeks.

And personally I would remind you how much Christophe has already done to make the transition easier and even cheaper. He even gave up on putting price for the code, which would have been quite a heavy burden for IMA.

Please let IMA to solve this together with Christophe, and please avoid making hasty conclusions and comment.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
IMA has already promised to pay the April and May, and maybe we need to do so even for June ....

That is not as it was promised bij the start of the crowdfunding campaign and that's exactly why I'm asking my money back. I just don't trust this ongoing delays, which makes that more and more members will leave. I really think it will be impossible to find 1400 (or more) paying members in June or July !!
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
.... and said the old membership payments very likely can't be valid after IMA takeover.

Why is 'monsieur' CR telling the opposite in his recent mails ??
7 years ago.
Clint has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Regardless of what's going on with Mr. Ruelle (and you people need to stop being so wishy-washy about that), like it or not, the IMA and the people who have donated to it need to accept that it's going to be responsible for all Ipernity's operating expenses going forward. Yes, the IMA needs to pay for May and June and every month thereafter. If this 4-8 week legal ratification process is part of French law, then the IMA should have known that going in and been prepared for it. This is the IMA's baby now, and if it can't afford the future expenses, then the jig is already up.

And on the subject of that jig, at some point I think the IMA is going to have to recalibrate its budget forecast, as that 95-euro deficit it's projecting at the end of year 1 is looking less and less like a real number than the estimate with a margin of error numbering in the thousands it's always been. Based on how all this is going, I see no way the company's going to come out of this process with 1,400 members, and I see little chance of you guys managing the 5% growth in membership you're projecting.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Clint
Think I have to agree with your comment.
7 years ago.
 Pam J
Pam J club
As can be seen by the Proposal which has been publicly available for some time....

Monies are allocated.

ipernityma.wixsite.com/ipernityma/formal-proposal

IMA have dealt in business before.


Incendiary comments
7 years ago.
 Pam J
Pam J club
I will repeat the relevant section again for people

Here

www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/187276

or here

www.ipernity.com/doc/serola/44704328

or here

www.ipernity.com/group/2260604

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"Christophe has informed us he may change the Ipernity Club membership prices in May. IMA asks you not to renew your membership yet but wait until legal agreement is done and bank account for payments is changed. IMA will announce when we recommend you start paying membership fees.

If you do pay your membership after they become increased by Christophe, IMA will respect your choice. However we are not in the position to guarantee any acknowledgement of paid renewal fees as IMA membership fees because some of the transition conditions are highly dependent on legal decisions by the administrator and Ipernity S.A. deducting such payments from IMA obligations under the agreement. Therefore we urge you to make a prudent decision regarding renewal terms and payments."

= FR =

Christophe nous a informé qu'il pourrait modifier le prix de l'adhésion au Club Ipernity au mois de Mai. L'IMA vous conseille de ne pas renouveler votre adhésion et d'attendre que l'accord juridique soit acquis et que le compte bancaire de paiement soit mis à jour. Nous vous signalerons le moment où cette transition sera effective et où nous vous recommanderons de vous ré-inscrire.

Si vous renouvelez votre adhésion après augmentation du tarif par Christophe, l'IMA respectera votre choix. Cependant, nous ne pourrons pas garantir que les frais que vous aurez engagés seront reconnus ultérieurement comme votre cotisation à l'IMA, car certaines des conditions du transfert de responsabilité dépendent fortement des dispositions légales qui seront prises par l'administrateur et par Ipernity S.A. En particulier en ce qui concerne la demande faite par notre proposition de déduire le montant de ces adhésions des obligations financières de l'IMA.
Par conséquent, nous vous invitons à prendre une décision prudente concernant votre renouvellement.

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Christophe hat uns mitgeteilt, dass er die Preise für die Ipernity Club Mitgliedschaft im Mai ändern könnte. IMA bittet Sie, Ihre Mitgliedschaft noch nicht zu verlängern, sondern zu warten, bis eine rechtliche Vereinbarung getroffen ist und das Bankkonto für Einzahlungen geändert ist. IMA wird bekannt geben, wann wir Ihnen empfehlen mit der Zahlung von Mitgliedsbeiträgen zu beginnen.

Falls Sie dennoch Ihre Mitgliedschaft nach der von Christophe angekündigten Beitragserhöhung zahlen sollten, wird IMA Ihre Entscheidung natürlich respektieren. Allerdings sind wir nicht in der Lage, eine Anerkennung dieser bezahlten Erneuerungsgebühren als zukünftige IMA-Mitgliedsbeiträge zu garantieren, da einige der Übergangsbedingungen in hohem Maße von den rechtlichen Entscheidungen des Verwalters abhängen wie zum Beispiel, ob solche Zahlungen mit zukünftigen Verbindlichkeiten der IMA gegenüber der Ipernity S.A. gegenverrechnet werden können.

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ALSO

The IMA has made it very clear that monies ARE allocated for paying the Server costs etc

Speculating and second guessing are not helping anyone.

Its frustrating for ALL

The IMA do not "own" the site till ALL the legal work is done.. that as stated several times before in several places... could be 4-8 weeks.(This is very NORMAL)

The IMA...... have NO access to site "anything" till it is all handed over !

Please... all of us are trying the BEST we can to make the good stuff happen. Don't despair... just continue to trust the IMA... I do... its why I am there with them now (and having been through 5 years of this with another site I wouldnt not be with them if I had doubts ) ... and doing the best I can to help.

Many Thanks
Pam

7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Pam J club
IMA promissed at the beginning of the crowdfunding campaign to start in May with their 'membership campaign'. And now it seems to be normal to wait 4-8 weeks ?? I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be (much) later.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
 Marko Novosel
Marko Novosel club
people,lets be calm and wait,we came so far,lets not ruin all this and leave now.
iam pissed also and its normal...cause we care.
7 years ago.
 Don Sutherland
Don Sutherland club
A few personal reflections.

Even as the process for finalizing a transfer of the Ipernity platform to the IMA is underway and the passage of time challenge one's patience, it is essential that club members do not lose sight of the big picture.

Three vital facts stand out:

1. The Ipernity platform is still here. It has not become a footnote in Internet History that lives only in frozen form on the Internet Archive: Wayback Machine.

2. A sustainable future for the platform is now more closely in reach than it was even weeks ago.

3. The IMA team is committed to making every good faith effort to secure that sustainable future for all who have come to love this site. Many have. Many still do.

We recognize that the Ipernity photo-sharing platform is more than a collection of photos. It is a vibrant, living, global, sharing community of people. The content they bring literally each hour of every day is unique, enriching, and inspiring. The contacts and interactions among this multicultural community is what provides real meaning to all who participate.

Many small details and other minutia related to operational details and policy implementation remain to be resolved. That blizzard of details should not be permitted to obscure the three facts cited above. Very real and significant progress has been achieved.
I realize that a continuing measure of uncertainty is unavoidable under the present circumstances and that uncertainty can sap courage and tempt one with doubt. What really matters right now is that the journey toward a sustainable future for the platform is no longer a wish, dream, or theoretical concept. That journey has not only not only commenced, but also is now well underway. Important milestones have been reached. The journey continues.

Therefore, challenging as some might find it, a measure of patience, a degree of belief in the project, and some recognition of the determination of those who have come together to pursue this project would be far more productive than counsels of doubt, fear, or worse. Despite the risks involved and the commitments required, a number of Ipernity members have joined together to pursue this project. We have undertaken to save the platform, because we truly believe that Ipernity's remarkable community is a treasure in that it brings people from all across the world together in sharing, caring, and living. Against the backdrop of stiffening macro-scale trends and forces now sweeping parts of the world that seek to divide and polarize, one cannot overstate the value of just such a community that brings people together. We believe that trying to secure its future is the right thing to do.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Don Sutherland club
Keep on dreaming.
For a sustainable future of Ipernity you do need a reliable partner. After his email action of yesterday it seems to me he is everything but that !!
7 years ago.
 Johan
Johan
Well, sorry ... I disagree with whoever states that we should know that the email from Ipernity means nothing, and that paying means losing money. The email very clearly states: "Your Club subscription will of course be kept after the transfer to the IMA". In my opinion, that is a committment.

I do not know who is to blame here, but it is unfair to expect the ordinary Club members to understand what is going on. Everyone who paid based on this email should have their membership extended when the IMA takes over. Let IMA and Ipernity sort out how to interprete "Your Club subscription will of course be kept after the transfer to the IMA." but do not put the burden on the ordinary members.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Johan
Totally agree Johan !!
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Johan
"Your Club subscription will of course be kept after the transfer to the IMA."

IP/SA are clearly stating that any renewed club subscriptions paid now to them IP/SA will be retained by them.
So if the IMA be successful in gaining ownership of the site. IP/SA will not extend the club status on to IMA. End of Story. I will not pay IP/Sa and then have to pay IMA later another subscription if they gain ownership of the site.
7 years ago.
 Amelia
Amelia club
I do wish the news was all in one place. I am losing track because of all the different threads and postings.
Please can it all be organised in ONE PLACE if possible. I know the IMA team are very busy right now, and are working tirelessly to keep us all together.. Let's hope that some of the powers that be, mentioning no names, are not creating a platform of divide and rule.
7 years ago.
Peggy C club has replied to Amelia club
AMEN !
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Amelia club
Agreed to many blogs Time to close most of them open one with and one place and one voice ( as Peggy has said in her article.)
7 years ago.
 Stormlizard
Stormlizard club
No point in doing anything in haste, just be calm and Patient, it may take at least another month before the dealis finalised.
John.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Stormlizard club
That was not promised when IMA started its crowdfunding campaign !!
7 years ago.
 Heidiho
Heidiho club
Ein Vorschlag:

1. ZUERST sollte CR für JETZT eingehende Mitgliedsbeiträge SOFORT die Kontodaten der IMA ins System eingeben.
2. DANN könnte IMA im Gegenzug die Serverkosten für März bis Mai an Ipernity S.A. aus den Spendengeldern überweisen.

... wenigstens DAS entspräche dann dem bisherigen Zeit- und Ablaufplan (Phase 1 und 2).
7 years ago.
 Jaap van 't Veen
Jaap van 't Veen club
News from William Sutherland:

To all,

The crowdfunding objective did not change. The main purpose remains to save the site. However with the passage of time and negotiations there was a mere reallocation of some funds. For instance 5,000 Euros for March costs were allocated for legal expenses since the March amount was in exchange waived by Christophe during talks. If money does exist past May, it would be prudent to continue to invest it into the site.

Also while there appears to be a big difference between IMA's and Christophe's position, it may not necessarily be as bad as some say since it has led to discussions to resolve issues that were put aside previously because of their complexity. IMA sent a proposal to CR this morning and if we agree, we can be on the same page.

The proposal is as follows:

1. IP SA's lawyer gives the assurance that the takeover will be successful since he has extensive experience in dealing with this issue so IMA's concern about members losing their money if the administrator rules unfavorably can be addressed. We have this concern because we are looking out for the members and do not want to see anyone lose their money.

2. CR agrees to provide a daily report of membership renewals. We would publish a list in a thread and update it so people could verify if their name is included. If a name is omitted, people could email a screenshot of their subscription history that would show the renewal so we could honor the membership. At the same time this daily report would allow IMA to offset obligations to IP SA eliminating the concern IP SA would be forced to honor renewed memberships at the new price without receiving revenue to pay the site's operating costs.

Until then, please remain calm and know IMA continues to work on your behalf, which is why there have been at times delays since negotiations are not always easy. Still we remain well ahead of Blipfoto's progress at this point so it is not that bad.

Best regards,

William


I'm sorry but my English is not good enough to understand what he is saying (especially number 2).
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
madSec has replied to Jaap van 't Veen club
Where did you find that post?

As far as I understand point 2 he proposes to collect names of membership renewals to have that info for later. That should address the concern that renewals are lost and it sounds like there will be some solution for members that renewed their club membership from now on, although he doesn't promisse anything there.
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to madSec
The information Jaap wrote here came from this posted image in the IMA Group
www.ipernity.com/doc/serola/44704328/in/group/2260604
Well worth reading through to get info I have missed because they info has not appeared in any blog I have read to date.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Tess could you 'translate' point 2 in clear and simple words ??
I really don't understand it.
7 years ago.
 Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Treasa Ui Cionaodha
2. CR agrees to provide a daily report of membership renewals. We would publish a list in a thread and update it so people could verify if their name is included. If a name is omitted, people could email a screenshot of their subscription history that would show the renewal so we could honor the membership. At the same time this daily report would allow IMA to offset obligations to IP SA eliminating the concern IP SA would be forced to honor renewed memberships at the new price without receiving revenue to pay the site's operating costs.

I find this confusing also. But from what i gather is
1 This is a proposal only to CR. William is asking him to Publish a list daily ( in a thread/ blogg) showing the names of members who are renewing their subscriptions.
2 The Publication of this list would allow the the IMA to use the list to know what financial progress is being made.
3 This financial information would allow the IMA to know what future or final burden the IMA will have to deal with when it comes to continued progress of gaining ownership of the site from IP/SA.

Now Jaap I am not saying I am interpreting No 2 right but it the best I .can do in trying to understand.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Thanks a lot. To be honest I reaaly don't understand the meaning/purpose of this new proposal.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Rrrolf club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Wait and see IF CR will give a daily report. But still the money would be missing at the start of IMA.
7 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
We may have a much easier solution:
Give three, get one!

Three month given to Ipernity S.A. is acceptable for several reasons:

1) We get some picture on how many there are still "on board" and wiling to continue after takeover.

2) Ipernity S.A. would look better for legal administrator deciding Ipernity's future, if there still are enough active and paying members. It proves the web site not totally dead and worth saving.

3) We could say Chritophe also deserves to get something after already giving so much to IMA (helping to cut down the server costs, implementing the new doubled prices on behalf of IMA already, and taking the blame on announcing the accounts become expired around June).
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
1) We get some picture on how many there are still "on board" and wiling to continue after takeover.
The answer to this would be that IP/SA would actually divulge how many active members they have. This they promised to do when they deleted the non active dormant accounts They never finished this project. In my contacts I see so many who have not been active going back to 2013/14/15

2) Again it is up to SA to actually declare how many members are actually paying members.

3) It is my humble opinion that the onus is on IP/SA actually declare how much financial debt they have accrued which would to allow members to assess the viability of saving the site financially before members pour in any more money to IP/Sa.

To put it plainly Members need the facts and figures before they continue to support IP financially. Me I don't intend to pay one cent until I know what I am paying for.
Don't mean to be negative. But I want to know what I would be paying for. For example a site that is beyond recovery financially or a site that has a possibility of a financial future.
Edited
I do not want anybody gifting me a club subscription. I am not wanting to be beholding to anyone even a friend. I pay my own way when I decide to do so.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Rrrolf club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
I fully agree. It is up to IP/SA to deliver. They have promised to give us all the necessary informations to lead IMA into a secure future. Do we have to start negotiations again???
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Rrrolf club
Hi Rrrulf
Do we have to start negotiations again??? It takes at least two sides to negotiate and it is obvious one side is definitely missing. No prizes for guessing which one. ha ha ha.

We are being left in the dark. IP/SA have not been transparent or honest on the situation they are in. The have reneged on all their promises to keep the members in the loop. IMA can do nothing about that situation as they are also in the dark. End of story.
I feel IP/SA are only interested in trying fooling members to pay subs under different schemes.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
I called it before: "nasty games".
7 years ago.
Rrrolf club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Full support for our IMA but no more money for IP/SA - never ever! I can wait for my new Pro-Account, also for another 4,8 or 12 weeks.
7 years ago.
 mapgraphs
mapgraphs club
Just want to thank Eric, Pam, Lutz, Sami, Sara, Don, William, Claus and Bernhard on the IMA side and Christophe and Audrey for getting Ipernity to this point. It's obvious that language differences make the details of the agreement difficult to comprehend but the intent is fairly clear to anyone who wants to take the time to try and understand.
7 years ago.
 Peggy C
Peggy C club
All I can manage at this point .... SIGH....
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Peggy C club
I even can't do that ...
7 years ago.
 Marko Novosel
Marko Novosel club
There is a light at the end of the tunnel,i hope its not the train,we can always step out of the tracks...lets be patient.
7 years ago.
 HappySnapper
HappySnapper
In a nut shell have I got the situation right in my mind anyone. Christophe has signed a document agreeing to pass ownership of IP SA over to the IMA. In doing so the French authorities need to ratify the arrangement to make it legal and binding and if this happens then Christophe hands the office keys over to the IMA administration who will in turn pay the March/April amazon fees and would then proceed to collect memberships for the IMA continued operations.
In the meantime There is no money left in the IP SA account to continue operations until the authorities have approved the arrangement which may take another 4 weeks or more. As a result Christophe is having to raise funds by collecting lapsed membership fees and presumably wages for Audrey.
There now seems to be a debate that if renewals are taken up with IP SA will the unused time left on the membership be honored by the IMA if and when the arrangement has been approved. Now the bit I am unclear about is Who is paying the server cost to Amazon for May?.

I am sorry if this does not make easy reading once translated into other languages.
7 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to HappySnapper
That is somewhat so, but agreement got changed a little between IMA's proposal and the letter of intent that CR signed. On letter of intent it got agreed IP SA took care of March costs after all. Then IMA promises to pay April and May from crowdfunding money.

And according to CR Ipernity SA is indeed broke. Now because we again seem to lost the understanding on terms of agreement, CR started to run his own quest to collect subscription fees to IP SA before takeover has been ratified. CR also gave premature false promises saying in his email that those payments would be acknowledged without a question. But IMA's official opinion still is to please wait until we clearly announce it is okay to start paying subscriptions.

However, IMA is now kind of forced to accept it if someone indeed pays subscriptions to IP SA. And therefore IMA will insist we need to get compensation on those payments from the April and May server cost payments. But the question is, how can we follow and control who exactly have or will pay the subscription before takeover? Only way is that people then should take a screen capture to prove it to IMA.

And another problem is that CR's email has reached every damn user, but over pitiful post reach only IMA group members. If some people have payed to IP SA and not seen IMA's posts, then there is no way to confirm those cases, or we can rely only CR's word on this. Or maybe some day, if IMA finally gets control, we can try to check those cases later on.

Altogether this turned out very messy and ugly, again, just when I thought we had seen it all.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
As said before 'monsieur' CR is playing nasty games with IMA.
7 years ago.
 autofantasia
autofantasia club
You guys really deserve a medal, as for Christophe, well I'm afraid my opinion of him is poorer by the day ... I just can't understand what he's trying to achieve in all of this.

And let's not forget that when people committed to the crowdfunding it was on the basis that:

"All funds donated will be retained by the association of members and be returned in full if the takeover bid fails".

I'm almost scared to ask how all of the latest machinations have impacted on the IMA's ability to honour that pledge should things now fail to materialise in a deal?
7 years ago.
Pam J club has replied to autofantasia club
Paul.....

The IMA do not have the crowdfunding money. Generosity still hold it at the IMA's request. The money is still returnable IF the deal falls through.

Hope that reassures... the pledge is still in place
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Heidiho club has replied to Pam J club
... that`s surprising. Are you sure, Pam ???
Last information was, the transfer has to be finished until the end of April .... ?!
7 years ago.
Rrrolf club has replied to Heidiho club
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Heidiho club
Pam is right when the deal regarding the crowd funding was initiated we were informed that Indiegogo (Generosity) Would hold the funds until the IMA became owners of the site. If the IMA fail to gain ownership of the IP/SA then the funds will be given back to the IMA and then the IMA would refund all who paid into the crowdfunding.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Heidiho club has replied to Rrrolf club
... da steht m.E. NUR, daß noch kein Geld von IMA an IPSA geflossen ist (recht so !).
Aber irgendwo anders hab' ich gelesen, daß IMA jetzt ein Bankkonto (in Kalifornien) eingerichtet hat ... eben WEIL Generosity zu Monatsende April die Spendengeldern dorthin überweisen wollte, sollte, mußte ...
7 years ago.
autofantasia club has replied to Pam J club
Thanks for that Pam. I'd just lost track of where we are at and wasn't sure if the money had been pulled down yet so thank you for the reassurance.

I'm guessing (trying to believe he is indeed genuine) that it's the fact that the IMA can't release any funds yet to Ipernity that is perhaps why Christophe is suddenly so desperate to get some cash in to keep the ship afloat.

However, even giving him that benefit of the doubt, one has to say he has yet again gone about it in a ham-fisted manner that is only serving to alienate more and more of the people that have been supportive of him in the past.

I mean why on earth couldn't he just trust us to support him through this difficult time? I'm sure if he'd left the rates as they were and given all users access to a 1 month and a 3 month option to extend our membership the majority of us would have done so.

It's the fact that he's hiked the rates so dramatically and only giving current Club members (and I'm guessing current free users) the choice of a 12 month or a 24 month package that's really got me so hacked off.

Sometimes you can generate more revenue by offering something at a cheap or at least fair rate than you can by setting the bar ridiculously high and making people question if they're being ripped off.

And then there's the whole matter of whether or not the IMA has now been forced into having to recognise existing subscriptions that are still valid when they take over. Previously, as I understood it the idea was we'd all start at zero, with just a free account, and then all have to become members of the IMA to gain or regain the benefits of being in the Club.

However, some of the statements I've seen being made by IMA 'founders' suggests that you guys are now feeling as if you will have to 'honour' any subscriptions that Christophe's latest scheme generates, but then if you do that it surely means you will have to recognise all existing subscriptions regardless of when they were taken out?

It's a mess for sure, but I think we all know where the blame for that lies and it isn't with the IMA ... I just hope for everyone's sake you can keep the negotiations going and somehow still manage to strike a deal.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to autofantasia club
+1
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to autofantasia club
Totally agree.

The way 'monsieur' CR is acting is ridiculous, unfair and misleading (if even not worse) !!
He really should behave as a reliable partner. But I'm afraid .....
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Rrrolf club has replied to Heidiho club
@Heidiho:
So wie ich Pam J verstehe, ist unser Crowdfunding-Geld immer noch bei Generosity (und sicher).
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/187276/comment/50768250#comment50768250

Sollte es bereits ein IMA-Konto geben (ob in Kalifornien oder auf den Bahamas), so wurde es noch nicht kommuniziert. Zum Glück, denn sonst wäre die Konfusion perfekt.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to autofantasia club
+1 Totally Agree with you.
7 years ago.
 Peggy C
Peggy C club
In my opinion ... which was not asked for ... yes, it is frustrating .... on both sides (and I do not mean cr) ...
We have gotten this far ...
Breathe .. exhale ... repeat TFN ...
No, I don't like it ..
Doubt anyone in the IMA does either ...
It is what it is --
What it becomes is up to the rest of us ....
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Pam J club has replied to Peggy C club
Thankyou Peggy...

Appreciated.
7 years ago.
 Johan
Johan
Okay, I am without a Club subscription now for over a month, which basically makes Ipernity unusable for me. With no outlook on when I will be able to renew, I am afraid that I'll have to pursue other options. I do hope that my crowdfunding contribution will be a (tiny) step towards making Ipernity/IMAP succeed eventually! But I simply need more than just being able to access my latest 200 photos, and not being able to share them externally.

So long, and thanks for all the fish ;-)
7 years ago.
Rrrolf club has replied to Johan
Ich bin bei dir Johan, mir geht es ebenso. Und trotzdem hoffe ich, dass du und auch alle anderen "schlafenden" Club-Mitglieder bei der Fahne bleiben. Es ist wohl eine Durststrecke durch die wir durch müssen. Zum Glück haben wir ja die Möglichkeit uns hier informiert zu halten und uns erforderlichenfalls auch an den Diskussionen zu beteiligen.

Es ist hart und schmerzhaft für uns auf die vielen Clubvorteile verzichten zu müssen, aber je länger es dauert, um so mehr werden wir. ;-)

I'm with you, Johan, I´m the same. And yet I hope that you and all other "dormant" club members will stay with the flag. It is probably a lean period we have to cope. Luckily, we have the opportunity to keep us informed and to participate in the discussions, if necessary.

It is hard and painful for us to forego the many club benefits, but the longer it takes, the more we become. ;-)
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Johan
I do understand your decision.

I'm afraid more and more members will do the same. When IMA starts with its campaign there is 'nobody' left here !! This is all completely opposite the original timepath saying Phase Two - Membership Renewal: 1 May 2017-31 May 2017.
7 years ago.
 Ruebenkraut
Ruebenkraut club
So, I asked someone to give me 3 months membership, just to be able to use ipernity as I did before my subscrition finished in December. I really do not care if the 20 Euros go down the drain, I just hope the best and be patient. 3 months should be enough time for IMA to take over.
7 years ago.
 dgmphoto
dgmphoto club
I am still here, although not very active. I will revert to free membership in a couple of days, but will not be renewing my subscription until/unless IMA take over the site. I have opened a Flickr account to enable sharing of my photos on some other forums I use. I will stay, in hope that IMA does succeed in taking over and would encourage others to do the same.
7 years ago.
Rrrolf club has replied to dgmphoto club
I hope to be the first in line to become a paying member in the IMA !
7 years ago.
HappySnapper has replied to dgmphoto club
+1
7 years ago.
 Marko Novosel
Marko Novosel club
I will stay to the end,also understand people who slowly losing patience but i really hope you will comeback if IMA and Chris find solution for this incredible soap opera.
fucking shit!
7 years ago.
 Ceropegia
Ceropegia club
My club membership expires in a few days. I may have considered a short term renewal to help Christophe out, but that was not offered to me. I do have to wonder why, now, under such tenuous circumstances, he thinks members might be willing to renew for another year or two at a higher rate, particularly when he has no authority to state, as he has, that IMA will honor those renewals. Why didn't he just raise the rates in the first place to keep the site viable when he began experiencing financial difficulties? When the problem first surfaced, many expressed a willingness to pay higher subscription rates to keep the site viable and are willing to do so to IMA if it is successful in its acquisition bid.

Under the circumstances, I will not be renewing unless and until IMA takes over. If my name is not on membership rolls that get turned over to IMA, add me in because I will rejoin. Also, I gave twice the suggested amount to the crowd funding campaign without any expectation that any of it would be returned if the deal fell through and despite any pledges by IMA that it would be. If that donation should be used in an unsuccessful bid to acquire the site, so be it.

In the meantime, my site participation has and will continue to decline because I am not willing to invest much time here if it will all be for naught. I never gave up my Flickr pro account but really would rather stay here than return there. I will be checking here every day with fingers crossed for good news.
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Ceropegia club
+1 Totally agree and I am sharing that boat with you.
7 years ago.
HappySnapper has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
+2
7 years ago.
 Jonathan Cohen
Jonathan Cohen club
Is it just my imagination -- or perhaps my internet provider? -- but it seems to me that over the past few days the Ipernity site has been inconsistently slow to load (and sometimes just down). Have others experienced this problem?
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Marko Novosel club has replied to Jonathan Cohen club
Happend to me also,Ip was totally out for half an hour,blank site.
I even went on Ip twitter and ask wtf is going on,of course my first thought was...its done,site is off,unplugged.
7 years ago.
Pam J club has replied to Jonathan Cohen club
There is a server somewhere between Amazon and source with a headache.... pretty much beyond site control . Its been happening for a few days
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Pam J club has replied to Marko Novosel club
There is a server somewhere between Amazon and source with a headache.... pretty much beyond site control. Its been happening for a few days.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
raingirl club has replied to Pam J club
Thanks for that information Pam J. I also thought that the site was finished. I wont' say what my guesses were, just thrilled that it popped back up. I've been enjoying people's photo posts - it is a great way to breath through the wait.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Jonathan Cohen club
Yes, the same VERY annoying problems here.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Pam J club
Aren't you downplaying this problems ??
Too coincidentally that they came together with the latest problems of IPernity SA.
7 years ago.
StoneRoad2013 club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen club
Incidentally, Jaap, I am based in the north of Great Britain, and I have not experienced these problems this week.
7 years ago.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to StoneRoad2013 club
Every day at least three or four times.
7 years ago.
╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club has replied to Jonathan Cohen club
Not your imagination Jonathan, it's the same here..painfully slow to load.
I'm in East Anglia, UK
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Jonathan Cohen club
Not your internet provider. The problem appears to be something going on with the IP/SA server and Amazon.
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to StoneRoad2013 club
Yet alot of UK members have had the problem of slow upload and on some days the server will not upload at all for an hours +. Many members in Europe and America and other countries are having the same experience.
7 years ago.
 HappySnapper
HappySnapper
Problems starting here in East of England, ok one minute gone the next.
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to HappySnapper
Same here in Ireland see comment below.
7 years ago.
 Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Treasa Ui Cionaodha
10.30 am GMT 07/05/2017
Tried to open My Ipernity news and got this message

This page isn’t working

www.ipernity.com is currently unable to handle this request.
HTTP ERROR 503

So is it the IP Server going down

And now this when I tried to post a comment
A communication error has occurred. Please check your Internet access.

There is definitely a problem with the IP Server. I immediately checked my mail and chose a flick mail. Flickr opened immediately and with no problems. I checked two other sites and none had server issues.
MY WORRY IS:
If IP/SA or Amazon pull the plug on the IP server (possibly for non payments for sever use) then the IMA will loose the ability to refund the Generosity funds to members.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
 Xata
Xata club
No problem here, Algarve in south Portugal
7 years ago.
 Rrrolf
Rrrolf club
The error 503 (service unavailable) now appears more frequently and for longer.

4.5.: 23:19
5.5.: 09:11
5.5.: 21:15
6.5.: 23:25
7.5: 03:29

www.isitdownrightnow.com/ipernity.com.html
7 years ago.
Treasa Ui Cionaodha has replied to Rrrolf club
Definitively. Got this error this am and 3/4 times during the week. Wonder why this is happening. ???????????????
7 years ago.
Rrrolf club has replied to Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Someone has limited access to our site. Cost cutting?
7 years ago.
 Marta Wojtkowska
Marta Wojtkowska club
Here and there - many people report problems.
7 years ago.
 Heidiho
Heidiho club
Look here .... www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4659568
...

Bergfex

In the meatime I do believe, that we are riding a dead horse. If there isn't any positive reaction from Mr. Ruelle until tomorrow morning, I'm not longer in the position to support IMA. (He also didn't answer to the urgent request of William Sutherland to reactive the 3-months option.)

Ich glaube inzwischen auch, dass IMA ein totes Pferd reitet. Wenn bis morgen keine positive Reaktion von Herrn Ruelle kommt, kann ich die IMA leider nicht mehr unterstützen. (Er hat auch intern noch nicht auf eine dringende Aufforderung von William Sutherland reagiert, das alte 3-Monats-Abo zu reaktivieren.)

vor 7 Stunden.
7 years ago. Edited 7 years ago.
 Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Well me I have had enough. So I wrote to William and this is what I have said.
Tess Query
Hi William
First I say I appreciate your (&IMA) efforts and input into the negotiations between the IMA and IP/SA.
Having said that at this stage it is no longer fair not to provide members too any information regarding the progress ( or lack of it) between the two groups. Ipernity is loosing so much in the way of activity or interest in the site. I am putting this down to lack of information from you and the IMA Team. We cannot rely on any input from IP/SA. Please give us the update to which we are entitled too.
Regards Tess.
PS
From my personal perspective without an update I intend to deactivate my account within the coming days. I am tired of being left whistling in the wind or feeling I am howling at the Moon.,.
Regards Tess.
7 years ago.
 dgmphoto
dgmphoto club
Although I am also pessimistic about the future of this site I will stay until either the site closes or IMA succeeds in taking over the site. I hope others also stay, we gain nothing by leaving now and may gain much by staying.
7 years ago.
Marko Novosel club has replied to dgmphoto club
Yes,we stay.
7 years ago.
Smiley Derleth club has replied to dgmphoto club
+1
7 years ago.

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