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Not just ipernity!

Not just ipernity!
Since 2005, I've been a member of the "Virtual Tourist" website, where people write and share detailed travel advice pages with photographs. Like ipernity, it had a very usable interface and there is an enthusiastic community. The image is a screenshot of my "homepage" there.

A year or so back, it was taken over by the "Trip Advisor" website. The format was changed to something I imagine was considered "more contemporary" and which de-emphasised personal pages to place more emphasis on outsiders asking inane questions such as "how do I get from the airport to ... (city)?" and hotel reviews. Like many others, I maintained a membership but reduced my involvement, spending more time on photography sites. Today I was gutted to receive advice that the VT site will close on 17 February, somewhat less notice than ipernity has given. With "Panoramio" recently closing, it seems there is a "fashion" to close community-based sites.

Anyway, many people on VT are concerned to capture the content they have published there over the years. Much as, I suspect, most of us here are concerned to save our "ipernity" content. Someone on VT has suggested the use of "web-creeper' sites/software, which can copy and save entire websites - the "Webreaper site in particular was mentioned - www.webreaper. net. (remove the space). I haven't tried it, but the introduction page looks interesting and I hope this may be useful to others here.

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 tiabunna
tiabunna club
ADDENDUM: I also copied the above text to my article "And now?" on options should ipernity close, as seems probable at present. PamJ has advised there that the "Webreaper" site is not likely to be the answer to copying/storing our content.
3 years ago.
 Pam J
Pam J club
I am sorry George.

As I have mentioned .. probably ad nausium .... I have with others been fighting to keep a long time dog/cat site open. From initial closure notice (and thatas where I learned to code/copy/uses pdfs/plot html into saver/Internet archivers/and the rest.... 5 years ago.. 2 sellouts. 2 more closure notices .... frankly.. I could cry.

What has killed all these sites ? Simple... facebook and the like.

Social media has done this. The attention span destroyers.. the quick fix purveyors.

People who actually WANT community.. and to enjoy and share and *gasp" learn....

Thank social media and its cousins for the destruction.

I have no heart left to try and save my work anywhere but external drives.

I have met people who will be lifelong friends on the dog site.. and ones here too. I have met a few over the years.. and correspond with many. It is MY social media.

We are a dying breed maybe....
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to Pam J club
Sadly, Pam, I rather think you are right....
3 years ago.
 Tacheles
Tacheles club
How sad. Nothing is forever.
3 years ago.
 Gudrun
Gudrun club
What a sad sign of our times.-( Nearly always it's the beginning of the end when big sites buy up smaller ones.
3 years ago.
Rainer Blankermann club
has replied to Gudrun club
Da stimme ich Dir zu. Und der Trend geht nicht zum Miteinander, wie in einer Community (Ich ziehe unter verschiedenen Gesichtspunkten ipernity dem flickr vor). sondern zum Klick-I like it wie in facebook (wo ich nicht vertreten bin).
3 years ago.
 Proxar
Proxar club
!!! the time they are changing...
3 years ago. Edited 3 years ago.
 William Sutherland
William Sutherland club
Another sad situation. Perhaps another example why community sites such as Ipernity and VT need to be run by the members. So-called detached owners, faceless shareholders and big corporations just destroy them. :(

Admired in:
www.ipernity.com/group/tolerance
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to William Sutherland club
It's something of a conundrum, I suspect, William. Commercially run sites are driven by the almighty dollar, but I suspect there are difficulties in financing and administration for member-run sites. Meanwhile, the F/Bs of the world take over ....
3 years ago.
 Amelia Heath
Amelia Heath club
I agree with Pam on this. Social media sites are largely to blame. But there is another problem too. With the advent of digital cameras and 'photo altering sites', photography is often no longer real. And now everyone is a photographer, with these smart phone devices continually on hand giving instant results and instant gratification.

I love taking my time to look at and take photographs of places and things that catch my eye, and will carry on doing so, even though I may be the only person who ever looks at the results.
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to Amelia Heath club
I rather feel there is a gradation, Amelia. I'd take a guess that most people here would understand your perspective. That said, it was Marissa Mayer of Yahoo/Flickr who famously said "everyone is a photographer" - and if you look at F/B you'll certainly see the results of endless selfies with smart phones.... All we need is one good site for 'serious' photographic enthusiasts though......
3 years ago.
 Roger (Grisly)
Roger (Grisly) club
A major part of my Iperninty interest is studying other peoples images, and I fall in the same camp as William and can see little future in photography sites that owned by large corporations.
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to Roger (Grisly) club
Thanks, Roger. I'm with you, I feel I learn so much from looking at others' photos. One of the problems, I suspect, is that websites become more and complex and expensive to run, which leaves them in the hands of the "big" players.
3 years ago.
 RHH
RHH club
It's not just websites, George. I'm a member of several plant societies and other such groups and membership and interest have plummeted to the point that it is hard to keep going. Our local orchid society which used to have nearly 200 members is down to about 20.
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to RHH club
You've touched on an interesting parallel issue, I suspect, Ron. I'm involved here in car clubs and our local photography club, and membership is all about grey hair. Talking to others in clubs with different interests seems to indicate a common problem. The "younger" people are not involved with clubs - yet they're happy to be on social media.
3 years ago.
 Malik Raoulda
Malik Raoulda club
Je ne sais pas pourquoi tous les sites communautaires ou presque ferment les uns après les autres,on dirait qu'ils se sont donnés le mot ...
Merci pour l'information et bonne fin de semaine.
3 years ago. Edited 3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to Malik Raoulda club
Thank you, Malik. It's interesting how many sites are having problems or closing at present. Maybe there's some other factor at work, such as rising storage or internet costs.
3 years ago.
 Dave Hilditch
Dave Hilditch
It seems that all the decent sites are closing or being bought up by the "Big Boys" and then changed to fit the new corporate image. I've yet to find an alternative to Ipernity that suits me and I've resurrected my account with Flickr as being the "least worst" alternative. I fear that ultimately there will be no choice other than than the "Big Boys" pr photo agencies.
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to Dave Hilditch
I hope your fears prove unfounded, Dave. It does indeed seem though that there is an ongoing narrowing of choices.
3 years ago.
 tiabunna
tiabunna club
Thanks for all your comments, I've enjoyed reading them and generally agree with all. Interestingly, I read an article today about wider instability in a number of non-photographic social media sites (http://tinyurl.com/j5pzgf5 ). At the bottom line, it comes down to profits (or losses) and even Yahoo (which holds flickr) is in strife and ready for takeover. Interestingly, I suspect those of us who are more "chronologically gifted" feel the need for community more than the younger generations. That seems the case on both the internet and in general community clubs (scope here for someone to earn a sociology PhD). :-)
3 years ago.
 slgwv
slgwv club
All the complaints about the "new" "awesome" Flickr suggests there is in fact a niche market out there for a community-oriented site. The problem is that it's too small for the big boys to bother.

Btw, Marissa is leaving Yahoo:
www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/marissa-mayer-leaving-yahoo-after-verizon-takes-over-company-says-n704956
A few years too late, is all--
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to slgwv club
Thanks, Steve. I think you're right that there is indeed a potential for a community-oriented site if the issues I mentioned to William (above) can be suitably covered. Good to hear that Marissa is about to leave the building.... though I suspect that flickr itself may come under review of the new owners.
3 years ago.
 Gudrun
Gudrun club
News from the Ipernity team: www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4646844
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to Gudrun club
Thanks, Gudrun. I shall keep my fingers crossed that something may be possible.
3 years ago.
 beverley
beverley club
thanks for the info George .... hope the link works ... and will Trip Advisor be next ?
seems nothing lasts forever does it .... !
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to beverley club
Sorry for not replying sooner, Bev. I don't propose to download most of my photos, the originals aren't online, only reduced sized watermarked versions. Some of the notes I've written here and on VT I do intend to keep though, for possible future use in some other context. Will Trip Advisor be next? Somehow I doubt it, as the site is blatantly commercial and with financial links to travel and accommodation companies (and endless promotion).
3 years ago.
 Marta Wojtkowska
Marta Wojtkowska club
I can vouch for HTTrack Website Copier.
I've already used it to download whole my portfolio retaining its structure, comments, tags etc. Now I am only updating it the off-line mirror (HTTrack does it for me with no fuss).
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to Marta Wojtkowska club
Thanks very much for that link, Marta, I shall give it a try.
3 years ago.
 Gillian Everett
Gillian Everett club
Interesting to read all the comments here. Not keen on Facebook at all, the setup and navigation is strange, but the youngsters seem to love it. I do like Flickr's database setup, and have stuck with it through the changes. ipernity is great, but only if the support is there.
3 years ago.
tiabunna club
has replied to Gillian Everett club
I share your dislike of F/B, Gillian. I'm on it only because my family seem to believe that it's a valid form of communication. Maybe I should give flickr another try, I still have an account there though almost unused lately - the problem is I don't like the layout greatly. I'm keeping my fingers crossed here, though with not a lot of optimism.
3 years ago.

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