Group: Ipernity User Help Central

I have just tested with one of your photos. I could see the PIPs while I was logged out. So the answer is: everybody.

I will change my account settings. Could you do it again please ??

Jaap, it is the same for me as yesterday: When I am logged out, go to one of your public photos and hover over the photo I see the notes containing the PIP's. When I hover over a note I see the PIP. But as yesterday I can NOT click through to the separate photopage because it has probably a non public privacy setting.

It seems that everybody who has access to a photo can also see all PIP's embedded as a note in that photo. But the separate photopages of the embedded photos can only be seen by those users who are allowed to see these photos according to the privacy settings of these photos.

Hope this is clear. Otherwise I would have to explain with screenshots.

By the way: If you want to try yourself how something looks for users who are logged out the easiest way is to open an incognito window in your browser and to visit the page in question in that incognito window. So you don't have to log out in your main browser window.

I was just checking, because one of my 'viewers' told me that she was just able to see the PiP's after I added her to my contacts.

Ah, o.k., so your concern was not that too many people could see the PIP's but that they might not be visible to all visitors.

I have just checked again with a different computer and I can confirm that PIP's are visible for me even while logged out. So PIP's embedded to your public photos should be visible to everybody.

Perhaps your contact meant that she couldn't click throgh to the separate photopage of a PIP? That could indeed have changed due adding her to your contacts depending on the privacy setting of the PIP.

One more thing: I can NOT see your PIP's when I go to the photos section of your account. For example there is only one photo of Chillon castle for me. But when I go to the photo page of this photo I can see several PIP's with more photos of Chillon castle. So visitors to your account will only see one photo of Chillon castle at first sight. But when they take a closer look and hover over that photo on its photopage they see the other photos of Chillon castle that are embedded as a PIP. If they try to click through to the photopage of the PIP they get an "access denied" message.

I confirm based on my own observations and findings.

Only subscribed members can add PiPs.

What is published is public to all. Meaning that PiPs on public image are visible to all. However, if the PiPs are private or limited access only, then those images show only in PiPs, and they can't be opened in their original album location if the person has no right to do so.

UPDATE:

Just discovered that sharing an image on public group, makes that image public to all.

In other words, image that has restriction "Me only" will become accessible to all if shared on public group.

An example:

www.ipernity.com/doc/serola/48403100

Anyone can open that PiP and the authorization says: "Visible by: Certain people including you"

So, that is because the otherwise private image has shared on "NEW" group that is open to all.

> In other words, image that has restriction "Me only" will become accessible to all if shared on public group.

Do you mean the main image or the PiP ??

I think that it is irrelevant whether it is a main image or an image embedded as PIP in the photopage of another image: If it is shared in a public group it is accessible by everyone. Look at this photo from Sami:

www.ipernity.com/doc/serola/48401028

I was able to visit the photopage as logged out user following the link above. BUT: It is not shown in the Photos-section of Samis account. So although it is accessible visitors need to know the address of the photopage. Or they find the photo because it is embedded as PIP in another photopage or they find the photo in the public group. Thus I don't think that the accessibility is a problem although it could be done in another way:

On Flickr for example non-public photos posted to a public group are only visible to members of that group.

I think we should explain this behaviour in the new FAQ that are currently under construction. User who don't know might accidentally make a non-public photo accessible to everybody by posting the photo to a public group. Especially new users coming from Flickr could be surprised by this behaviour.

I agree. For very long time I have thought the image indeed becomes accessible only under the group context. I didn't know that sharing something under public groups also turns the image accessible also on all other possible contexts, like links on embedded PiP or caption images.

Perhaps I don't understand it well.
When I as a anonymus visitor take a look at my own pictures, I can see the main pictures and can open the PiP's. But for these 'private' images/PiP's it is not possible to open the photopage itself. That's just how it should be for me.

Jaap, that is how it is usually. The only exception is when the 'private' image/PIP itself belongs to a public group. In this case the visitor can access the photopage by clicking on the PIP. So if your 'private' PIP's don't belong to public groups there is no problem and everything works like you have described.