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How club member can allow download link for a single image

How club member can allow download link for a single image
One may wish to allow the use of some pictures under Creative Commons license. The idea is to allow others to download, publish and even edit some pictures. But this requires that the other person then should give credits to the original author.

This can be useful for example when you wish to allow ima to use your images for advertising the ipernity, or allow your images used on ipernity front page. It is also a good idea to put a small CC "watermark" signature on bottom right corner of the image like this: "CC Your Name"

This Creative Commons feature has been tested with the following accounts and users.

Only ipernity club account member can enable download link for her/his own images, which then gives the download link to following users:

1) Another ipernity CLUB member CAN download all resolutions. The users don't have to be each others contacts.

2) Also any FREE account member CAN download all resolutions. The users don't have to be each others contacts.

3) Visitors who have NO ACCOUNT, DOES NOT get download links whatsoever.

Free account owners can not enable the download link, not to anyone, not for Creative Commons images either, and not even for themselves.

Please keep in mind a clever user can still always access the HTML code and get the direct link for any images posted online. So, ipernity code does not fully protect from copyright infringements. And even a less clever user knows how to take a screen capture.

However, this test now proves that with Creative Common attributes an ipernity club member can deliberately give right and easy access to download a single image to all other ipernity account members.

Find out more about Creative Commons here: creativecommons.org

Please also keep in mind what Creative Common means. Depending on attribute, it gives you right to download, republish and even edit the image. But with most of the CC attributes you should give credit to the original author within the context of publication (e.g. on caption or anywhere around the page where the CC image become published).

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44 comments - The latest ones
 Erhard Bernstein
Erhard Bernstein club
Good to know, thank you!
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Erhard Bernstein club
Picture now updated on PicMonkey ;-)
6 years ago.
Erhard Bernstein club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Yes, now it is even clearer how to proceed - by the way: why not , as an example, do it for this pic?
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Erhard Bernstein club
Already did. Now you should be able to download it. Please give feedback if it does not work.
6 years ago.
 Peggy C
Peggy C club
It worked ..
6 years ago.
 Team
Team club
Damit wird erklärt, wie man den Download eines Bildes für eine einzelne Person freigeben kann, zum Beispiel nur für ima zur abschließenden Bearbeitung eines Bildvorschlags für die geplante neue Startseite.
Bernhard (ima)
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Team club
Well, giving Creative Commons for some image actually should give the right to everyone. But I am actually not quite sure yet if this really gives also a possibility to download, and enables the download link on right menu for all.

Creative Commons also means that the author should be credited. And there are also different levels of CC: creativecommons.org

I already noticed the CC Attribution does not enable the download link for anonymous users. I assume it only gives it to all who have Ipernity account (free or payed).
6 years ago.
 Andy Rodker
Andy Rodker club
I presume I am the only ignoramus who has no idea what this is about! :o(
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Andy Rodker club
My bad, Andy. I should have given some more instructions and the context. I try to get it done as soon as possible. In short the idea is to show how one can use Creative Commons to let others to download and share some pictures. But this also still needs some testing. I am not sure if this works as it should.
6 years ago.
@ngélique ❤️ club has replied to Andy Rodker club
je suis comme toi Andy ! je ne comprends pas tout !
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to @ngélique ❤️ club
No need to worry about this post. It is only meant as an instruction how to enable Creative Commons attribute, if someone want to.
6 years ago.
 Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Treasa Ui Cionaodha
Thanks for the Info Sami. I have had on occasion a request for an image of mine for publication on a web site such as this one.
www.arkive.org/primula/primula-palinuri/image-G134305.html
My preferred way is to email an attachment the image to the person requesting use of the image. I prefer not to change licence for download. That is just me.
6 years ago.
 Sami Serola (inactive)
Sami Serola (inactiv… club
This Creative Commons features has been tested now with the following users:

1) An ipernity CLUB member, not in my contacts, CAN download all resolutions.

2) A FREE member, not in my contacts, CAN download all resolutions.

3) Visitor who has NO ACCOUNT, DOES NOT get download links whatsoever.

But everyone, please keep in mind a clever user can always access the HTML code and get the direct link for images. So, ipernity code does not fully protect from copyright infringements. And even a less clever user knows how to take screen captures.

However, this test now proves that with Creative Common attributes you can deliberately give right and easy access to download a single image. And this easy access is given to all other ipernity account owners ("freeriders" and other club members, and they does not have to be in your contacts).
6 years ago.
* ઇઉ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Thanks also at this point for your good work, Sami!
6 years ago.
 Ulrich John
Ulrich John club
Thanks a lot, Sami ! Again something I didn't know ! Good Morning !
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Ulrich John club
You are welcome =) And good morning, Ulrich!
6 years ago.
 Erhard Bernstein
Erhard Bernstein club
It works!
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Erhard Bernstein club
Yes, it does =)
6 years ago.
 Stormlizard
Stormlizard club
Very nice to know this Sami.
Does it mean that any photo a user has uploaded for Public viewing should be marked as stated.
I have now and then used photos from Wikipedia that are published under GNU rules where it is required that I or any other may use the photo but must quote the original photographer as being the © holder, the photo(s) may not be altered but (© Respected) may be added.
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Stormlizard club
This is what you can do if you want to. Absolutely no one don't have to.

For example I have used Creative Common attribute on instruction images to let others to use them as well.

The whole idea of Creative Commons can be said shortly like this: "CC licenses are legal tools that creators and other rights holders can use to offer certain usage rights to the public, while reserving other rights. Those who want to make their work available to the public for limited kinds of uses while preserving their copyright may want to consider using CC licenses. Others who want to reserve all of their rights under copyright law should not use CC licenses."
Source: creativecommons.org/faq/#what-is-creative-commons-and-what-do-you-do

If you wish not to give any rights, then you don't actually have to do anything. Keep the default copyright setting: © All rights reserved.

What some people still may not know is that if there are no copyright sign showed anywhere, then the publication is automatically copyright protected on most of the countries. There are then various country specific laws on this.

Ken Kaminesky explains the copyright and Creative Commons quite well on his blog:
blog.kenkaminesky.com/photography-copyright-and-the-law
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has added
P.S. After seeing some examples of contents published at Wikipedia, I recommend to click the CC attribution link on them to see what you can and should do.

For example this image:
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles#/media/File:Technikmuseum_Stade,_51.jpg

Gives Creative Commons CC BY-SA 4.0 and link to:
creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0

There you find what you should write in the context of the republication:

"You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use."

"If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original."

The later means that you then should give the same CC attribution for the image you republished as were on the original source.
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
* ઇઉ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
This in-depth reading should be taken to heart by all people who use foreign property. Thank you again, Sami!
6 years ago.
 Sami Serola (inactive)
Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Title and caption updated after some more tests done. Found out the free account owners can not enable the download link, not to anyone, not for Creative Commons images either, and not even for themselves.
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
* ઇઉ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Thank you for the supplementary clarification, Sami. That was the purpose of my first request for testing.
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to * ઇઉ * club
Sorry for misunderstanding your request in the first place.

Unfortunately there is no way for free account members to get or give possibility for download.
6 years ago.
* ઇઉ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
It's okay, Sami.

Thanks for your effort. I have just submitted a proposal to you, the ima team, and I hope that it will be placed on the list of the most important things to do.
6 years ago.
 Ruebenkraut
Ruebenkraut club
Thanks, Sami!
6 years ago.
 Gudrun
Gudrun club
Thanks a lot for a) the instructions and b) reminding people how to correctly attribute content other than their own.
I think this should be communicated very clearly, maybe (again) in the blog, so IMA don't get into any trouble because members don't handle copyright issues correctly.
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Gudrun club
I would say the service provider (an association in this case) ca not be responsible on mistakes done by individual users. If we are very strict, then the only persons who should deal with copyright infringements are the person who owns the copyright and the one who infringes it. Service provider can of course assist to deal with the copyright infringements, and for example delete the violating contents if and when the guilty person can not be contacted.

On this Ken Kaminesky's blog article, under subtitle 'What happens when a copyrighted photo is used without permission?', there is a useful list of options what one can do: blog.kenkaminesky.com/photography-copyright-and-the-law

So, in practice it should always be the copyright owner who request justice. A short instructions for cases between ipernity users is here: www.ipernity.com/help/faq/privacy#340

From the experience I can say it is far more complex for anyone who does not have account. Luckily ipernity seem to have a possibility to contact "support" (ima team) even without need to open an account: www.ipernity.com/help

Few times somewhere else I did the following. If I saw a clear copyright infringement at some service, I search and contacted the author her/himself and informed her/him about the copyright infringement, and advised her/him how to report it on that service.

So, in all cases it is better to let the author to do the fight, and not to start fighting on behalf of anyone else. You can help, but better not to get involved.
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
* ઇઉ * club has replied to Gudrun club
Gudrun, in the ipernity Team blog "ima" has already picked up on this topic, www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4693794, as some members are repeatedly violating the copyright or various usage and license agreements. In addition, each member should be aware of ipernity's terms and conditions of use, as they have to give their agreement upon registration.

I no longer believe that users who violate copyright and/or various usage and licensing regulations don't know what they're doing and that the topic should be communicated in the ipernity Team blog once again. Rather, after countless, friendly hints and reminders, the time seems to have come to act now - in the interest of honest users and the security of the platform.

Furthermore, I agree with Sami. It is the responsibility of the infringed party to uphold his or her rights - and helping people to help themselves should have the highest priority.
6 years ago.
Belleuse has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Example :
www.ipernity.com/doc/1816658/46132482

after my comment - no reaction. I did this second time since I'm on Iper ( Nov.2012).I do this very rare - only if example is too much arrogant and publishes more than once from other authors and giving as his photo.
so - it's now "not our buisiness" if someone using stolen pics here ?
f.e. If someone HERE will use in the future some of my photo - it will be only "my problem " ?
Sorry Sami, I'm a bit confuse now. But maybe I don't understand something ?
I want to know the clear rules of our community in this case
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Belleuse
What I meant is to avoid exactly doing things like that. You may only get yourself into trouble. So, please do not contact the copyright violator on behalf of the copyright owner. Instead, help copyright owner or service provider (ima team) to do the "dirty work".

Easy solution

Click the 'Report as inappropriate' link available on the right margin of the photo seen here at ipernity.

On your report tell that you suspect copyright infringement. Give there on the report a direct link (URL address) to the source of original copyright owner (or what you think is the original source).

Then let our ipernity moderator (and ima team) to worry how to proceed.

More complex solution

This is in case you want to help some more. First try to contact the copyright owner, if you are pretty sure you know it is rightful owner of the artwork. For example go to her/his website and send her/him email. If you don't find an easy way to contact the copyright owner to help, then pick the easy solution.

On your message politely tell that you suspect someone here at ipernity has done a copyright infringement. Tell that you have found an image here at ipernity, which you suspect being published without copyright owner's permission. Give a direct link (URL address) to source here at ipernity, where you found the infringement. Just make sure your message is not misunderstood, and explain you only wish to help the author to become aware of the case.

Then advice the copyright owner to report the copyright infringement over here: www.ipernity.com/help/support

Tell her/him to choose topic 'I found offensive content / I want to report a stolen photo', and click 'Contact us' link below. This is a pretty frustrating step on the contact form, but I guess there is a good reason to show all the additional information before opening the actual contact letter form.

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Moreover, I recommend reading this blog article by Ken Kaminesky: blog.kenkaminesky.com/photography-copyright-and-the-law
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has added
P.S. Belleuse, I have now reported that example you mentioned via 'Report as inappropriate' link (easy solution). So, no need to do that again.
6 years ago.
Belleuse has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Dear Sami, I wanted avoid talking too much about this one case ( stolen photo) which I found. But now I see that I must explaine something: i did exactly this what you said ( the simple way with button and link to ima) 9 days ago... I had answer that this photo IS blocked (and 1 another, because i reported about 2 stolen pics from one member). After this action and correspondence from ima I was surprised - because the one photo ( www.ipernity.com/doc/1816658/46132482 ) is still visible.
So , I know since long time the rules and how to report pics to the team.
But thank you for additional informations.
My questions to you, Sami, was mor about "what team can do after warning".
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Belleuse
Oh, then my personal apologies Belleuse, that there's nothing done on this case so far. But please remember we (ima team) do get a lot of reports like this.

Especially therefore I gave also the advise for more complex solution. It would always be best if the copyright owner her(himself would report the infringement. So, you could speed up the process on this case and contact Isabelle Pamies, and let her know someone has republished her picture most likely without permission. Then you could leave the responsibility for any further actions to her.

My point is ultimately this. Please do not let yourself become over-tasked by cases like these. It is enough to report them once. But unfortunately it often feels like a fight against windmills.

The good thing about this discussion is that it clearly shows we all should increase the awareness about copyright issues. Hopefully together we manage to keep ipernity free from getting a bad reputation as a service that does nothing to protect people from copyright infringements.
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
Gudrun club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
If IMA are sure that they cannot be legally held responsible for individual members infringing copyright then that's fine with me:-)
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Gudrun club
Few years ago there were the SOPA and PIPA plans to force the service providers to take the responsibility: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA

But luckily they got rejected.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
art and images theft exists since images were uploaded to the net... if you upload a picture in high resolution today (if it's good or at least nice), you can be sure to find someone who wants to use it without your permission... as one who publishs images in internet you can do just a few things: low resolution, watermark and/or copyright sign. but if someone really wants to use your pic - this also doesn't help.
together with some other members i had a group "against art theft" on iper and we've been active for a longer time, but we also noticed that you may spend 24 hours/day in front of your screen and check pictures, warn the thiefs, inform the real authors, make pressure... your success is just a drop in the ocean and you won't do anything else if you want do that in a serious way. and you'll be confronted with arrogance and aggression by a lot of thiefs...after a while i resigned...
but if you're in the administration of a photo community and in your terms and conditions is said very clear that copyright infringement isn't allowed, you have to be active against stolen pics in a more consistent way than an ordinary member does.
before ima, so during the time of the old iper team, messages about stolen pics have been ignored mostly, i don't know how it is now, but i followed this case belleuse has reported and i felt reminded to this old times... the problem: if an images thief doesn't get pressure, he thinks that his doing is ok.
btw: most successful i was when i told the thiefs that it may be veeery expensive if the real author goes to advocat and let him work on the case... ;-)
6 years ago.
Belleuse has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
Dear Sami, you are not responsible for this case, this i know ! I did what was necessarily
( using this button under the photo, report to ima with link , had answer etc. ). And, yes, I can do more, as you said. Thanks for your answer !
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to .t.a.o.n.
Very good points, Rob. Unfortunately that is how things seem to go. Probably someone (me perhaps) should also do as I explained on the "more complex solution", and start contacting the original authors and plea on them to act on some cases. It could work as an warning.
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Belleuse
Actually, I very much appreciate your decision to write that comment, Belleuse. It is a brave act and well done. Not too attacking at all. Simply an act to inform the person that the infringement has been noticed. Thank you for doing that.
6 years ago.
Belleuse has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
I'm a nice person ;-) Have a nice day and thank you for your attention, dear Sami !
6 years ago.
Belleuse has replied to .t.a.o.n.
( I also remember this time on Ipernity, yes) I appreciate your support in this subject, dear Rob, thanks a lot !!! :-)
6 years ago.
 Fred Fouarge
Fred Fouarge club
Ik heb het gelezen Sami,,,en vindt dat jij het onmogelijke mogelijk maakt,,,ik waardeer dat!!!
6 years ago.

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