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HBM: Coaches taking a break at Norton Canes (M6 Toll Motorway) - 17 Apr 2023 (P1150127)

HBM: Coaches taking a break at Norton Canes (M6 Toll Motorway) - 17 Apr 2023 (P1150127)
Monday 17 April 2023 (1311) – Norton Canes Service Area, M6 Toll Motorway, West Midlands.

Southbound and northbound National Express service 540 coaches seen taking a break on their journeys between Manchester and London/London and Manchester. Both operated by Selwyns Travel of Runcorn.

Nearest the camera is 301 (BM68 AHO), a Caetano Levante 3 bodied Scania K410 new in February 2019, working the 1130 departure from Manchester. Scheduled here between 1305-1330 and due to arrive London (Victoria) at 1650.

Beyond that is 236 (BD65 JEO) a Caetano Levante 2 bodied Volvo B11RT new in February 2016, working the is 1000 departure from London (Victoria). Scheduled here between 1310-1335 and due to arrive in Manchester at 1520.

The distance from Manchester to Norton Canes is approximately 73 miles and from Norton Canes to Victoria is approximately 133 miles.

Using the tracker on the Bus Times website the Selwyns coaches worked the following National Express runs Sunday 16 April to Tuesday 18 April:

Coach 236
Sun 16 April:
2350 Manchester-London 422 0620
Mon 17 April:
1000 London-Manchester 540 1520
2350 Manchester-London 422 0620
Tue 18 April:
0900 London-Manchester 540 1420

Coach 301
Sun 16 April:
1630 Manchester-London 540 2150
2330 London-Manchester 422 0555
Mon 17 April:
1130 Manchester-London 540 1650
1800 London-Manchester 540 2305
Tue 18 April:
0835 Manchester-London 540 1345
1630 London-Rochdale 540 2250


Visible in the background is Tanat Valley YX17 OGS, a Plaxton Panther 3 bodied Volvo B11R new in May 2017 to Logan’s of Dunloy, Northern Ireland.

Nouchetdu38, Marco F. Delminho, Annemarie, Fred Fouarge have particularly liked this photo


14 comments - The latest ones
 Fred Fouarge
Fred Fouarge club
(Hbm) David
11 months ago.
 Roger (Grisly)
Roger (Grisly) club
A nice capture David, do they have a large saving in time which offsets the cost of using the toll road ?
HBM and a good week
11 months ago.
 Herb Riddle
Herb Riddle club
Only just managed to sneak in a bench but it works for me David. The toll motorway must be worth their while especially in peak times. A long time since I took that option too. Well done.

HBM, enjoy the day. Herb
11 months ago. Edited 11 months ago.
 Ecobird
Ecobird club
Well captured David. No doubt there are dozens of 'bench' seats in the coaches too!!

HBM and have a good week ahead
11 months ago.
 David Slater (Spoddendale)
David Slater (Spodde… club
HBM Fred and happy new week.
11 months ago.
 David Slater (Spoddendale)
David Slater (Spodde… club
That’s a good question Roger. The distance from Junction 12 (near Cannock) to Junction 3A (near Coleshill) is just about the same whether using the M6 Toll or the original M6 route. The M6 Toll route still seems the nicer route to take from a driving point of view as it is less busy and doesn’t suffer the same levels of congestion as the original route. This will help maintaining timely running so that drivers can keep within their driving time limits.

I did a little exercise to see what runs the two coaches in the photograph did that day and the days either side. This was to see if the turnround times were of a short duration where a delay would have any serious knock on effect on the later runs. (As I found out the info I thought it worth adding it to the text above).

It didn’t really prove much! The tightest turnround was, as it happened, that for coach 301 in the photo. It was due to arrive at Victoria at 1650 and it then worked the 1800 back to Manchester. So, it could be said that using the Toll route in that case had the benefit of aiding prompt running to ensure the turnround worked.

Fuel costs would be the same using either route unless the coach was stuck in a traffic jam around Birmingham. The advertised cost for a coach on the Toll route is £14.30 but I suppose National Express will some get discount.

I think the answer is that paying something like £12 to use the toll gives operational benefits.
11 months ago.
Roger (Grisly) club has replied to David Slater (Spodde… club
Very interesting David , thank you,
I normally give it a miss,
11 months ago.
 David Slater (Spoddendale)
David Slater (Spodde… club
Well Herb, it does just about qualify! HBM and best wishes for the new week.
11 months ago.
 David Slater (Spoddendale)
David Slater (Spodde… club
That's an interesting thought Carol which I had never considered! HBM, hope you have a good week.
11 months ago.
 David Slater (Spoddendale)
David Slater (Spodde… club
HBM Annemarie. Best wishes.
11 months ago.
 Xata
Xata club
HBM David
11 months ago.
 Dinesh
Dinesh club
.... where are the passengers?! HBM and have a great week
11 months ago.
 David Slater (Spoddendale)
David Slater (Spodde… club
HBM Isabel and best wishes for the new week.
11 months ago.
 David Slater (Spoddendale)
David Slater (Spodde… club
They were all in the cafe Dinesh. HBM and happy new week.
11 months ago. Edited 11 months ago.

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