A complementary information [EN]

Thank you Christophe and Team for informing us of the current situation.

The large majority of us are still hoping to spot a Lifeboat on the horizon.
John.

Thank you for the information, Christophe & the rest of the team.

I, and many others, do not want to see Ipernity shut down.
Please find a solution.

The update is appreciated. Thanks!

Thank you for the information.
Hope there will be a solution to keep Ipernity alive.

Non essendo membro non ho la traduzione in italiano..... Posso sapere cosa dice ??

Sintetizzando ovviamente... Grazie Jaap

Mavì ecco una veloce traduzione (senza traduttore automatico per cui scusami per qualche svarione)

Cari soci,

Le numerose risposte al nostro annuncio del 1 ° dicembre ci hanno
profondamente colpito.

Temevamo un'ondata di critiche, ma abbiamo ancora una volta trovato
persone incredibili e una comunità che
fa battere il cuore di ipernity.

Molti di voi hanno espresso il loro desiderio di aiutarci a trovare
soluzioni, e chiedono naturalmente domande sul perché dobbiamo prendere in considerazione la chiusura del servizio.

Ecco alcune risposte.

Per cominciare, come abbiamo già espresso all'inizio di quest'anno, il
personale di ipernity è stato ridotto al minimo. Questa mancanza di mezzi non
ci permette di sviluppare di più il servizio e di offrire un vero futuro.

Per ovviare a questa mancanza di risorse, molti di voi hanno suggerito
di aumentare il prezzo di sottoscrizione o di monetizzare ipernity con la
pubblicità.

Purtroppo, anche le nostre più ambiziose previsioni hanno mostrato che
esse non riuscirebbero a generare abbastanza entrate per ricostituire
una squadra.

Fate i calcoli voi stessi ... ci sono circa tremila membri del Club. Si dovrebbe
raggiungere il doppio del numero (o doppio del prezzo degli abbonamenti Club) per
considerare l'assunzione di una persona in più. Ma per sviluppare
ipernity in serenità, sarebbe necessario arrivare a ricostruire un gruppo di 4 o
almeno 5 sviluppatori ... Non abbiamo trovato la soluzione negli
ultimi anni e ci sono poche possibilità che la troviamo in futuro.
Ipernity non ha debiti e possiede ancora un po' di soldi in banca che garantiscono un'autonomia
di un paio di mesi. Ecco perché abbiamo dovuto comunicare
la forte probabilità di chiusura del servizio, a meno che ci siano acquirenti pronti a
farsi conoscere in breve tempo.
E' anche importante ricordare che IP è una società quotata in borsa,
su Euronext. Abbiamo diverse migliaia di azionisti che
rappresentano circa 1/3 del capitale della società.
Gli altri due terzi sono nelle mani dei fondatori, i quali hanno investito
denaro, ma soprattutto la loro energia per sviluppare per molti anni ipernity.
L'eventualità di vendere ipernity a terzi o chiudere il servizio sarà una decisione
presa collettivamente da tutti gli azionisti e sottoposta al voto nelle
prossime settimane.
Per il momento, nessuno dei soci fondatori storici ha espresso
la volontà di continuare l'attività . Dopo aver investito quasi 10 anni in
questa avventura, dobbiamo ammettere il fallimento. Quando una tale ammissione è espressa con chiarezza,
bisogna sapere fare i conti con il fallimento e voltare pagina. Così, rimane del tutto possibile che una nuova
squadra prenda la testa di ipernity. Difenderemo ogni progetto in corso
di fronte a tutti gli azionisti.
A tal proposito abbiamo ricevuto varie richieste di informazioni, e a questo dedichiamo le nostre energie al momento.
E' ancora impossibile dire che IP trovi un acquirente, ma è
una pista che seguiamo.
Vi terremo informati, naturalmente, il più presto possibile.
Nel frattempo, non vi gettate sul pulsante per chiudere il conto,
ma tenete a mente che, al più tardi nel mese di gennaio, una decisione sarà presa. Entro allora forniremo le soluzioni per recuperare i contenuti e le modalità per il rimborso degli abbonamenti Club.
Grazie ancora per il vostro sostegno, e grazie a tutti coloro che desiderano
che IP abbia una seconda possibilità.

Christopher e il resto della squadra.

Grazie infinite Andrea , sei stato di una gentilezza infinita.... Credo sia davvero difficile arrivare ad una soluzione ma staremo a vedere .... Ciao

Thank you for detailed and easy to understand explanation =)

Thank you for a clear explanation of the current situation. I hope that a solution is found that will keep iPernity in business.

Many thanks for the update. Ipernity is in a class of its own, it would be a great shame to lose it.

Agreed, it is in fact Unique.

Es wäre gut wenn Ipernity erhalten bliebe -
Viel Glück und Erfolg bei ihren Verhandlungen -

Thanks for the explanation in English appreciated.
Time is of the essence for those who wish to download
their photos ... so far, nothing ... can you please advise
as soon as possible ... thank you.

Thanks for posting the message in English not that it makes for any better reading. My views and suggestions on ipernity and how it might be saved are well known to you as I have communicated in person repeatedly over the last 12 months.

So, I see little point in adding anything else at this point other than to wish you well and to draw to your attention, and the wider community, the User Poll I'm trying to conduct.

www.ipernity.com/blog/autofantasia/4643022

Thank you Christophe and the team for the latest news.
We are all hoping that some solution can be found. This has been our photographic home for many years, and is very important to a lot of us.

Thank you for the update. I hope there is success and that Ipernity will continue. There seems little or no comparable alternative that holds the magic of Ipernity.

Gracias por la traducción

Well thank you for the update, me being a pessimist think the writings on the wall just the same.

---> www.ipernity.com/doc/appalooosa/43959500

Thank you for the update. Wishing you success in finding a new home for Ipernity.

Nach dieser Information kann man hoffen, daß Ipernity in irgendeiner Form weitergeführt wird.
Denn die Hoffnung stirbt zuletzt.

Ipernity is the best of its kind available - it has a discreet feel to it and displays pictures with good quality. It is also easy to use. It lacks the overwhelming, pushy brashness that seems to characterise some of the 'alternatives' - I have visited numerous of these and some are so unattractive they make even Flickr look good. Like many other Ipernity members, I propose to continue to use this fine facility as long as possible in the hope that it will continue. Hope, hope, hope.

Thanks for the information, still hoping for the white knight.

Many thanks for the informations. Auch ich hoffe, dass ipernity bestehen bleibt. Es gibt für mich keine andere oder bessere Alternative als ipernity selbst.

Sad news. I have only been a member for a couple of years but have really enjoyed my time as a member. It has certainly encouraged me to take better photos. I hope that something can be saved. Good luck.

Viel Erfolg bei Ihren Bemühungen in unserem Interesse.

Thanks for your information Christophe..and for the glimmer of hope. It´s good to see that many people here are still waiting and hoping ;)
It is worth staying!!!!!!!

Thankyou for the English version finally.

I have to wonder if you and the shareholders actually REALLY know what you are about to throw away ?

Please.... ...if you insist on doing so.. allow us time (yes I have stuff backed up) to recover Albums as a whole( yes I know they can be downloaded at the moment) that means with their proper information (not just numbers on pictures).... this cant be beyond possible.. and would help so many of us.

This is a special place.. you have been offered a better business plan by many... I wont hold my breath.. but if YOU dont want this anymore.. then open source the code to others who could use it. Thankyou

Thank you. It's a great site. I hope some sort of takeover or sale can be effected.

Merci pour votre intervention . J'espère de tout coeur que le site trouvera de l'aide car c'est un site formidable et qui doit perdurer.
BONNE CHANCE.

Again I say.... Someone on the team needs to reach out to 23HQ. A merger of the two codes would create a great site. And the business model at 23 is far superior and sustainable.... Just saying....

And for God's sake, stop telling people to wait until January to deal with their photos! Even if you write a script, there is no way your servers would be able to handle so much traffic all at once. People will lose their work when your servers crass under the strain..... I'm not saying people should close their accts. necessarily, but, they certainly should be making their own provisions to offload everything they can't be without. And the ipernity staff should be advocating that more than anyone instead of telling people to wait until Jan. in hopes the team will muster up enough energy to write something to allow for mass downloading!

It was already a big enough challenge in getting my photos downloaded (completed so I can work on at least duplicating my photo stream back from whence I came). Hate to think if most of us heed the advice and wait until the last minute to grab what they can.

It woulda been nice if I could have grabbed the titles / descriptions too, but it is what it is.

Yes, absolutely 23HQ, because it is similar to Ip in its user culture - though the site is in much more primitive form. However, their admin, too, has other priorities and rarely gets involved with hands-on running of the photo sharing aspect of their business. One of them said that outright to an Ipernity member (can't remember who) asking if they were aware of the sudden increase in traffic. (The answer was something like, "Uh, we hadn't noticed anything, we're too busy...")

Just sayin'...

Thank you for the information! Good luck.

This was a godsend after the flickr fiasco.

Wish you well for the future, wherever that may be.

Vielen Dank für die Information.
Ich wünsche und hoffe, dass Ipernity weiter besteht.

Hullo Ipernity, Thank you for the information. You have my support as an ongoing Club member.

I will stay til the very end! Thank you for Ipernity, I have enjoyed the community built around the product immensely.

Really appreciate your explanation and all your work on this site.

I hold out hope that the site can continue and continue with good people like you all have been.

If the worst happens and no one takes over and the site closes, would the code be lost forever or would there be a chance for it to go open source - giving someone the chance to carry it forward? There are so many things right with this site. Seems that even with no other tweeks it could stand on it's own (with the servers to back it up of course) and carry on. Just a thought.

peace

Thank you for laying all your cards on the table, I can see the predicament much clearer now and I appreciate very much your concerns and attempts to find a buyer.
I hope that happens and we can continue to post our pics to this brilliant site.
Regards,
Jeff Farley.

Thanks for the information from the Ipernity Team. This is an other kind of level than many
EX-Panoramio users are used to. We were treated with disrespect by Google when Panoramio was closed. However I can not use my energy once again trying to keep a ship from sinking. If a way is found to keep Ipernity going, I would gladly continue as a paying member... I hope so because there really is no similar alternative to IP.

"I hope so because there really is no similar alternative to IP."

That's why you are NON paying member ??

Yes, there were already uncertainties when I joined Ipernity. Bad experiences from PA made me cautious. As I also felt me lett down as former paying member of 500px and 1x I decided try out this site first. Not that I have to explain myself, but everyone has his/her reasons..

And, it was indeed a bad experience. Google treated Panoramio members like CRAP after we had provided Google Earth with content for years. Sorry, but it was really bad.

Hi Diane ... Yup, Google treated Pano and its members like CRAP (or worse) because I think they were so corporately myopic that they barely knew we existed; it all went crashing downhill after the "Views" disaster. (I sort of wonder what happened to "Views" and Views users; perhaps they were treated as badly as Pano users ... it seems in 2014, the Views users were acrimonious toward Google; they were really mad, and all we wanted was to maintain our Pano status quo.)

If big corporate Google cared nothing for the Panoramio communities, then it boggles my mind that they care not about the millions(?) of pieces of art uploaded onto Pano (yah, there were clueless snapshots there too) ... and the ephemeral records of unfolding history that were there too. Panoramio is a photographic museum/archive never to be matched again.

Best Regards from Downeast Maine, Wally

It would appear that the rush to leave is destroying groups - if an admin is going to leave, please see if another member would accept the role ... I have done this in the past.

I will be here till the end.. if it become the end.

My 4 little groups have lost members.. but I am still commenting on each photo(as I have always have done) and intend to do so till the lights are turned out... or new lamps put in !

I am here .. my groups shall not close unless the door closes.
Looking forward to new lamps !

La avantaĝo de tiu ĉi retejo, kompare al Fesbuko, estas klara strukturo kaj foresto de reklamo.

Thank you for your honest and detailed opinion, Christophe! I am very sad and helpless that Ipernity is so close to the abyss and probably no salvation is possible. Ipernity is, for me, the best photo platform I have ever known after the end of Panoramio. I have a really great esteem to the developers and programmers who have adapted the handling perfectly to the needs of the users. It is a pleasure to be a member of Ipernity and a big misfortune for my photo hobby when IP has to close. But what shall we do? If only I could do something against the doom! There must be a rescue for this valuable and popular photo-sharing website, I hope so much!

Sad greetings, Stevia

@Santa Claus, maybe you have a solution for the team of Ipernity in your Christmas luggage? ;-) That's all I want for Christmas!

I note that the video section is now getting the advertising in .. this was a big problem some time ago ... will this be sorted and resolved or left ... please ipernity team ... please address this before the advertising spam takes over ....

I came here after the end of Panoramio as many other people. So, I start to get used to shot-downs... At first it has been a little bit complicated to understand how to move within IP (Pan was really essential) but I slowly realised that IP is one of the best photosharing sites. I mean, it's just my opinion. It doesn't makes it "Saint" though: it's a business society and according with the economics model chosen by the majority of citizens who can vote all over the world (USA are the paradigm of that) when business isn't interesting anymore... you close. This is capitalism: though it makes more victims than winners most of the electors do not want to find another way. I often wonder why but this is not the right place to discuss about it. So why should IP be outside this liberism view? It's not a NGO which provides to help people... That said I agree that the work of other people must be payed therefore I quickly payed my account in IP. In fact we cannot just ask to use a site for free: there are people behind it, they cannot eat air... So, I even would say that if IP will continue under another Society everybody should pay a minimum: in a capitalist world it's impossible to maintain it without making business. At least until we will continue to vote this way: especially with the probably new President who will be elected in France next year nobody will support a photosharing site just to make us happy...

I really hope to stay here but I will never use it as an external hard disk and you all should do the same: when a site disappear you might loose "just" comments and titles but your "negatives" MUST be physically saved at home!

Having migrated to Ipernity when Flickr became a site for teenagers taking pix with camera phones, I switched to Ipernity, finding it a friendly community of good photographers. Totally understand your situation, but of course disappointed that it has not been the success you hoped for. Following so shortly after the closure of Panoramio, it will be a double blow, but that's life. I imagine you will have been in touch with Google+ - just please don't sell me back to Flickr!

From Audrey today :
www.ipernity.com/blog/2058508/4643332

How do I transfer my pictures to my computer, or google drive?

Austin, I am an Ipernity user, not an admin. But I had the same question.

The simple answer is use Down Them All!, available for MAC or PC. Ipernity mentioned it some time back:
www.ipernity.com/help/faq/album#360

It's available several places, including here:
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/downthemall

You install it as a browser add on, and then, when you go to your albums pages, it offers you a download option that doesn't exist otherwise. (It downloads albums.)

Here's a more complicated answer, from Ipernity Support:

My Q: "Is there a TOOL to let users to download their photos WITH THE TITLE intact?
Down The All! is stripping away names of pictures. Help, suggestions, advice, tips, please."

Their A: "One of our dear contributor developed a tool to send back your album to Flickr.

"Please consult this link : github.com/benmesander/flop

"If you do not know how to use it, please be patient, we will post instructions asap."

This is a very tech intensive solution. I wouldn't try it without a lot more instruction.

I hope so much that Ipernity is able to continue. I love the site.

Viel Erfolg bei den Verhandlungen und danke für diese Information!

Merci de nous tenir informés

Thanks Christophe and team ... I have been here almost from the beginning, and I am saddened that the trip probably ends here. I hope a solution will be found after all ... I will not pull my photos yet.

Just for general information:
I now have backups of all my 10,461 photos stored on iPernity so am feeling a little happier BUT iPernity surviving and continuing is what I really want.

I can recommend Firefox browser and DownThemAll as a solution. I seems the larger the files the more smoothly it works in combination with iPernity. Well worth the suggested $10 donation to support the DownThemAll plugin maintenance and development.

Thank you for the information and for your efforts. Best of luck!

Hello Christophe & the rest of the Team!
What do you can say to people as me which lost their membership in Club after 2 years directly in 2 days after your Bad News ??? Is it ok that some people have 2 days ONLY for saving their "more 200 pics " with comments ? Do you think so that it was possible ??? ! ( I'm NOT retire with full free days ! ) It wasn't possible !
Also possibility as "to pay for one month for the Club " or for 3 month are hanging now .
I know that you all are very busy now, but - it's not fair left this problem without any answer or new decision. I expect some SOLUTION for this problem from you all.
Have a good day! greetings from Poland.

that's indeed an important question ! 2 months seem to be a long time, but it isn't if you're sitting on hot coal and you must wait what happens ! the opportunity to save the own content (i'm not talking about images, i'm talking about the discussions there) should be open now for all, club members and also for non-club-members. not to do that means to see even more people running away from this platform, with a bad memory about it...

Please, do not worry. If ipernity is definitely closed, we will help our subscribers to retrieve their docs even if the subscription ended.

For the moment, we're still in discussion with a potential buyer/partner but we cannot talk more about it.

We let you know as soon as possible.

No future at Flickr peeps.
www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/25/yahoo-moves-next-for-flickr

Means: New Users to come to Iper! :-)

I want to say to all, that I had today very fast answer for my "Ticket" to IT which I sent via "Help&contact/ Contact to Team" . If someone have also some special problem as I had with termin of the end of my Club membership ( 03 Dec.2016) , it's good to contact the ITeam in this way.
And now I'm very satisfied after this answer from Audrey IT ( thank you , Audrey !) .
It's great to have more time for saving in more peace what I have.

>>If the worst happens and no one takes over and the site closes, would the code be lost forever or would there be a chance for it to go open source - giving someone the chance to carry it forward? There are so many things right with this site.>>

I agree. Something must be done to save all this. There are no other communities and platforms like this, not that I know of.

Hello dear ipernity team. Advertising was never your strength. Also a very good product needs advertising here an example. There will be more ... marketing/flugzeugbannerwerbung

Thank you for the info and the great site that I have enjoyed for the last few years. I hope this site can continue. However, I have been downloading my photos and putting some on Flckr and 23HQ just in case. I am not deleting anything from Iper at the moment and will not do so until there is no hope of continuing.. I do so hope that a solution will be found as this is a great home for our photos.

The value of what will be lost if Ipernity closes - becomes clear in my attempt at an objective review of the alternatives at
www.ipernity.com/doc/john_sheldon/44008874
Let's all hope that the wonderful efforts being made by members and others will pay dividends and we will have Ipernity for many more years and beyond!

Does anyone know how to bulk download images from Ipernity complete with tags and descriptions? Am told this should be possible as a CSV or grabbed via the API. When I magrated from Flickr it was easy via Migratr, but the app doesn't work in reverse, and I've now got 76K images with data to shift....

I'd love to know the answers to this as well. Audrey has said that if iPernity closes they will provide solutions but we will have to see what they come up with. with 76K images you for one certainly need a real solution

Got an IT guy looking at this as I doubt Ipernity will be able to come up with the goods; even if it costs it'll be worth saving all that work...

I've written some toolsl to do this; I moved 25k images:

github.com/benmesander?tab=repositories

Que pasa con Ipernity,esta todo en ingles y no entiendo casi nada.Si cierra cuando sera y que pasa con nuestras fotografias?.Las deberian devolver, uno las eleminan pero quedan en la plataforma de ellos.

I don't want to move my photos just yet (and where to?), because I still hope the Ipernity team will find a way out ... but it is nice that there are options.

Hello to all !
Maybe it's obvious and all have knowledge of this, but just in case if someone forgot, I would like to share with you here:
Before than you will delete your photo - that you can save your every site + ALL comments and the title by press the right mouse button for use the command "Save As ..." ? It will be complete Website, you can watching later on you PC also without connection with Internet .
Lets give to others , please!

Only seems to work a page at a time, and doesn't copy tags and other data. I've 4000+ pages of images, so getting the site copied might take some time....need automation.

Thanks for the info - can you clarify a little? Where should one's mouse be when one 'right clicks'? Are you on your photo page? On your About page? Or where?

I have my photos backed up on my home computer and an external hard drive, so I'm not afraid of loosing them, but am afraid of loosing the order and choices and comments and of course the friend connections.

I was glad to hear that you got a solution from the team for your situation.

yes.. many photos=a lot of time if you want save .

All what I said is true and it working, dear Raingirl .

I will hang in there to the very end....this space is unique and I hope it survives....hence I am continuing to post some of my latest play...thanks admin for the excellent communication

@ RAINGIRL and @RED-EYE and to all :
Try, please, in this way :
I'll try to quickly explain:
1. Set a screen page Iper with some of your photo (one large picture with comments under the pictures)
2. Place the mouse cursor on any blank white space on the page (not: the picture!)
3. Click once right mouse button - opens the menu
4. probably in 4th place you see a command / option: Save as ..., you click here
5. Your computer opens a new window with a view of your files (downloaded), you can assign a new name or not (no need to change the name or type: Complete website). You can choose from the right side at the bottom of the option: Save or Cancel.
6. Option: Save as ... - this take to download the page to your Downloads folder.
7. Proceed in the same way as always when something downloading (from mail, Internet, etc.) - on the bottom of your site you see:
Show all. You click. A new page opens with a view of recently downloaded your document, you click "name" ( you see complete site ) or "Show in Folder" (then you see this site in your Downloads folder). You can now see the entire page of Iper.
You close the page and you're back on the Ipernity to the site which was downloaded.
8. Note: if there is A LOT , MANY of comments under the photo - you have to click at the end in place of the "next comments" to expand the rest of the comments, to the end. And only then save the page - everything will be visible! Also title etc.
9. If my description is not enough - I will try to take a photo-collage of screenshots with all next steps, as I said ,
but I'm a little busy right now, so the earliest I can show it tomorrow! GOOD LUCK :-)

let´s hope for the best ... good luck, marc.

I do sincerely hope that iPernity will survive

Huh, just want to renew my club membership, and wondering about the "One month or one month (save blabla" - option...

Bahm.

And now...? I haven´t any idea what to do. It´s way to short time to think about it for my person.

But I feel sad. Another time in december, after losing a lovely person I lose a lovely place? Not the best end of a year.

Can´t say anymore anything...

What's going on ???
Ich würde gerne mein Abonnement verlängern.
Ich bin seit 2007 Clubmitglied!
Ist eine Einigung in Sicht wie es hier weitergeht ?

*Merry Christmas" and i hope , a new Ipernity Year in 2017 :-)

I feel betrayed. What sort of business model did you think would be viable - £17.5 pa x 3000 - it's hardly enough to employ one person. You've been going nearly a decade but you only inform the members a month before shutdown? You should have seen this coming years ago- but you carried on accepting our money. This is disgraceful, and I don't get the feeling you want a solution that will keep the site live. I've invested hundreds of hours of work documenting my photos - your casual attitude to your customers stinks!

Many thanks for all you have done. We hope for the best but accept what is. Thanks too for the updates.

The decision to transfer ipernity to a third party or to shut down the service will be a decision taken collectively by all shareholders and be subject to a vote in the next weeks.

Nearly 3 weeks have passed so I wonder what has been decided and if no decision has been made yet just when is the discussion with shareholders to take place and when will they make a decision?

It is still impossible to say that ipernity will find a “new home”, but we are on the right track.

Again I find myself wondering just how are these efforts taking shape. Are you still on the right track or did you find you had wandered down a dead end and have since come to realise you're lost without a plan?

With just over 4 weeks to go it would be nice to get some answers, some kind of an update if you like about what is actually going on here?

I still like to believe the people behind this site are genuine and that they do have the best interests of the community at heart, but the countdown clock is ticking and each day that goes by without any kind of a public statement makes it harder and harder to cling onto that belief.

It also sees more and more people drawing their own conclusions and leaving, not because they want to, not because there's an equivalent never mind a better product out there, just because they've had enough of all the uncertainty.

And what of the "several potential buyers" with whom the "head of the team" was negotiating and one of which was described as being "really serious"?

And what of the fact that no mass mailing has taken place yet to communicate with the community as a whole that the site is under threat ... why has this not taken place and is it really acceptable that, as it currently stands, it would appear the first many might know of the site's closure may well be when they try to visit it one day and discover it no longer exists?

So many questions, but all quite straightforward. So why is it so difficult to get any of them answered? Ooops, just realised I've added another one to the list! ;)

I too wonder just how seriouly they have researched other forms of financiel support such as sponoring by advertisments which I suggested way back, a few days ago I recieved a reply to that suggestion informing me that such is Illegal under French Law.
This of course is not correct. Another French social site I know of is financed that way 'Skyrock.com'

IF there is a real chance and maybe any deal with a partner or a takeover, it's common and understandable, to NOT communicate every single step or discussion.
Hard, but true: We just have to wait and to hope...

I've just looked at the Club subscription page - It tells me I can "extend" my sub for three months at cost of £7.99 and takes me as paid up until mid-December 2017.

That seems a bargain to me.

If that sum from enough club members will keep the Ipernity servers / cloud up and running for a bit longer, then I'll be happy.

If Ipernity is to cease at the end of January, why would it offer to extend our Club membership???? My Club subscription page indicates it would extend until September 2017!!!!! It would be extremely helpful if we actually received pertinent and relative information from Ipernity!!