Dear members and friends of ipernity,
1. Statement from our Club President about AI images.
We've noticed that some members are now sharing images created using artificial intelligence (AI) on ipernity, reflecting their interest in modern methods. We appreciate and embrace this technological innovation. However, the use of AI in photography raises questions concerning labeling requirements and copyright, which are not yet clearly defined by current legislation and existing standards.
It may be years before such legal rules are in place. In order to ensure harmonious coexistence in our community, we believe it is essential to establish some common guidelines today. Our recommendations are:
a. We suggest labeling images generated entirely with AI as such. This does not apply to photos or other content edited using AI-based tools.
b. Consider classifying AI-generated images as "DigiArt" [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_art]
c. We ask admins not to exclude AI-generated images from groups, especially public groups, unless there are valid factual and objective reasons for doing so.
Always keep in mind that our community was formed mostly by photographers. But it has also always been a home for other creative people. All kinds of creative expressions are welcome: photos, videos, music, essays, podcasts, poems, scanned painting and drawings - and now also Artificial Intelligence (AI) images as a special kind of DigiArt.
We have added an 'AI advice' link with a popup message box to the upload page.
Also, you might be interested in the AI Generated Pictures group.
Website Updates
2. Revision to Albums section.
This update relates to albums with mixed content, that is, those with both photos/videos and documents. When viewing an album, any videos are also displayed with the photos. It is not possible to show both photos and docs together.
For such an album, there will be links to switch between 'Photos' and 'Docs', just as with the links for 'All', or for 'Photos' or 'Videos' only, in the 'Photos' section.
This is clearer to the user than when the options were within the drop-down menu.
3. Further revision to the Upload page.
We appreciate the suggestion from some members to tone down the wording of the warning message, which has now been incorporated. Now with this re-wording, we ask that those who already know these rules understand that the team routinely has to deal with returning members asking about missing content. This is partly because some of our automated emails are not being delivered. Thus the team considers it appropriate to place this message on the upload page.
4. Revision of the group guidelines.
A recent debate within the HFF Group indicated that some parts of our group guidelines are too vague or even incomplete. Both members and administrators do not find enough support in them. This can also lead to further misunderstandings in the future and affect the harmony within our community. For this reason, we have reactivated an old discussion forum Group Guidelines. We are looking for your input and suggestions to improve our group guidelines and to prepare a proposal for amendment to the ima team. Your participation is highly encouraged and welcome! Your inputs may help us maintain a welcoming and respectful atmosphere at ipernity. We are looking forward to your contributions.
Early Notice
5. Ipernity General Assembly 2024.
We give this early notice so that you may avoid conflicting commitments. We note that the typical date of the last Sunday in March is an Easter weekend in 2024. We therefore state that the meeting will be held on Sunday April 7th 2024, 5pm Paris (16:00 UTC).
We also take this opportunity to call for candidates to the ima board. First for the vacant position of Vice President. Secondly, while our current treasurer has agreed to run again, the position is open to members to apply.
Your ima team.
PS If you are a techy nerd, you might care to take a look at this article where you may be able to help.
Thank you for taking the time to make some suggestions. Hopefully Bergfex's reply below explains how some of the things you mention are already incorporated into ipernity's website. And while it isn't a simple 'click' to have a photo be re-introduced, you can see that there are ways to at least get them at the front of your own photo page.
As stated in 1.a. above, we do request that people using AI label their images as such.
Hinsichtlch der eingeblendeten Werbung bei flickr sind meine Erfahrungen auch gänzlich andere als hier geschildet. Wenn ich da eine Suche nach einem Stichwort mache, sind die ersten 8 Fotos erst einmal gesponserte Werbung für eine Fotoagentur. Dann folgen ggf. meine eigenen Fotos und Alben mit dem Stichwort (die interessieren mich aber nicht, wenn ich auf der Seite im Suchfeld nach einem Foto suche). Anschliessend folgen bei mir nun 37 Fotos, die angeblich das gesuchte Motiv zeigen sollen Angeblich, weil die Fotos alles mögliche zeigen, nur nicht welche mit dem Stichwort gesuchte Bilder. Entweder ist die Suche kaputt oder wird von den Mitgliedern falsch gefüttert. Anschließend folgen erneut 8 gesponserte Fotos der Foto-Agentur. Und so geht es munter weiter - es ist also quasi beim herunter scrollen jede Bildschirmseite mit einer weiteren Werbung "ergänzt".
Mag sein, dass das anders ist, wenn man flickr bezahlt (was ich nicht tue), aber flickr behauptet auch schon seit Jahren, dass meine über den freien Inhalt hinaus gehenden Fotos gelöscht werden. Meine zuletzt hochgeladenen Fotos (im Jahr 2013, also locker 10 Jahre her) haben übrigens so um die 3000 Aufrufe, und das, obwohl ich noch immer regelmäßig drüben kommentiere. www.flickr.com/photos/kiezkicker
Hinsichtlich des "Foto des Tages" - Gedankens: nun, das habe ich anfangs auf Twitter versucht. Hat genau Null bewirkt. Den ipernity- Account bei twitter folgen entweder ipernity - Nutzer oder aber bots, aber keine sonstigen Personen, die man von ipernity überzeugen könnte.
Man erreicht also mit ipernity - Konten keine Personen, die nicht ohnehin bereits ipernity nutzen. Und diese Personen, die das tun, müssten dann zumindest die Tweets retweeten, um sie außerhalb der ipernity - bubble zu verbreiten. Das geschieht aber nicht. Bei twitter gibt es genau einen einzigen User, der regelmäßig Bilder von ipernity verbreitet: twitter.com/SV1XV - und zwar noch nicht einmal zwingend nur seine eigenen Fotos.
Das ist also gewissermaßen der einzige Nutzer, der ipernity außerhalb der Personen weiter verbreitet, die ipernity nicht ohnehin bereits nutzen und hat aktuell etwas über 500 Follower.
Poste ich etwas bei twitter vom ipernity - Account werden diese Tweets ungefähr 40 bis 50 mal angesehen, sofern die Tweets nicht von besagtem User retweetet werden. Werden sie von einem User retweetet, kommt der Tweet auf etwa 200 Views, was schon das mögliche Werbe - Potential aufzeigt, den ipernity-Mitglieder haben könnten. Wenn sie denn was für ipernity tun würden (auf Twitter). Also mal von diesen ein, zwei Personen abgesehen, die das regelmäßig bereits tun. Aber da das nicht passiert braucht man sich dann eben auch nicht mehr zu wundern, dass ipernity die eigene Bekanntheit nicht steigert.
Es würde für die Bekanntheit von ipernity also wesentlich hilfreicher sein, wenn Leute mit ihren eigenen sozialen Accounts Werbung für ipernity machen als wenn das mit den ipernity-eigenen Accounts geschieht. Das geschieht aber nicht: twitter.com/search?q=ipernity&src=typed_query&f=live.
Denn die ipernity-eigenen Accounts werden, wie gesagt, ohnehin lediglich von Personen gelesen oder verfolgt, die ipernity bereits kennen.
Ich bin jetzt seit 1998 ununterbrochen bei ipernity. Und schon immer gab es ruhigere und bewegte Zeiten, wo man mal mehr und mal weniger Besucher hatte. Und der Dezember ist sowieso schon immer ein sehr schlechter Monat gewesen, weil die Leute im Dezember andere Dinge zu tun haben als am Rechner zu sitzen und sich Fotos anzuschauen.
Dat zal best zo zijn. Maar ik ben er zeer stellig van overtuigd dat het aantal bezoekers (views./favs) op mijn pagina's de laatste jaren langzaam maar zeker steeds minder wordt. Kan ook niet anders als ik het aantal 'afhakers' zie.
I have read your comment a number of times now and you have made me think once again about this strange idea of sharing my photographs with people I do not know.
I too will stay on Ipernity as long as it exists but why should my very limited variety of photographs be of any interest to anyone else on Ipernity?
Even my ‘best’ photographs are really only going to be of greatest interest to me. I have thousands of photos on Ipernity now and they are poorly curated. What would drive me to improve that? I would need to have criteria I believed had value and I have never come to any final conclusions. [I have a free account on Flickr with 1000 photos stored so I have to delete one to post a new photo. I am someone who has not been good curating my ‘best’ photos and this my have turned out to be a happy accident as they do seem to be gradually getting more interesting (to my eye at least at least).]
I’m no longer sure why I share my photographs and I think it is now just a habit. In the days before photo sharing web sites I created my own web site to record my hill walks and bird watching snaps. These were of interest to some of the people I worked with and eventually I moved on to photo websites like Flickr and found people who lived locally sharing their photos. Over time I have met some of these people and keep some contact with a few of them. Some contacts on Flickr I have been trading comments with for 15 years or more without ever meeting them in real life.
I ended up on Ipernity in 2013 along with many more people frustrated by Flickr’s every changing interface. It’s even worse now.
I agree with you about Ipernity being more about a social life than true Photography sites but that’s a good thing in my opinion as the technical issues and hardware chat around cameras are of very limit interest to me.
So how to make Ipernity grow and attract more users?
I don’t know but suspect that many of the users on Ipernity are at least middle aged ?
Should that be the biggest selling point? - Sell it to older people that are tired of ever changing websites, adverts and flashing images. Ipernity the last photo sharing website you will ever need. It’s friendly with built in translation for many languages with an interface that rarely has any changes and you are even remembered after you die.
Ipernity: Where old photographers live in their final years.
Colin Ashcroft (aged 70 later this year so I will soon be on borrowed time)
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