Age verification vs. content filtering

posted by -mcb
Posted on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 11:17. 486 visits. ( permalink )
I've read through some postings and I've got the impression that two things are accidentally getting mixed up:

1) Establishing a content rating/filtering system that allows the user to decide what he/she wants do see: the system is on the user's side.
(I've read ideas on "Profiles" like "At work" or "At home" or so. Nice idea, but I guess a quick way to switch the acceptance levels in profile/on the site would be also doing that job.).

2) Establishing an age verification system that prohibits non-adults to see content that's inappropriate for them (for the sake of simplicity let's assume it is only "green" content they are allowed to see)

This are two very different things! Yes, #2 cannot exist without #1.

Keep it clear: If you'd like to implement #1, just go ahead! As everyone can set his own acceptance level, everything is fine. You mostly trust the users and that's it.
The problem begins just when you start to impose people with a acceptance level based on the state of the age verification process (this is: when someone is not fully verified as an adult and IP gives them an acceptance level of green that the person cannot change to a higher level (like orange on red)).

The question is: What are you trying to achieve? When it is obeying the law(s) you will eventually have to impose acceptance levels for non-verified people and find a proper way for age verification. And this is a hard one!
I think the best you could do is to look what French Law requires for age verification (as you guys are from France and the servers are there, too(?)), post the results of your investigation here and see if IP (i.e. you AND the members) can implement there requirements. If it is enough to look at the birthdate the user has provided among his registration infromation: be happy and go ahead! If it is as complicated in the German version (this is mainly providing a copy of a passport or an ID, providing credit card information (or other payment information) on the same name as on the passport/ID and having periodic payments from this account), then a lot of thinking is waiting for us...

4 Replies

Jan Popelka says:
Classification, rating
If I can dare to forget the law I suppose the classification could be done by all users - each could classify a photo e.g. as red while maybe for others the same photo would be green etc. Kind of extending the "favorites" system. As I still believe most Ipernity users are reasonable people the average classification would have its importance - and those "exceptional" users could adapt themselves by selecting different filtering level than usual to achieve the same subjective harmlessness (e.g. switch it off, that is what I would do, or to filter everything so not a single picture would be displayed - that is what should some parents do:).

Filtering
default filtering should be off or asked upon registration higly visible (how many users are able to find a hidden setting during their first days on Ipernity!) . Reliable age verification cannot be done without serious troubles and inconveniencies for the users, I am pretty sure on this. Is this really what the French law insist on?! If default filtering is on and to turn it off the newbie-user has to do something (find a setting, or even provide personal data and wait for verification) then it IS censorship from my point of view (as those users will not see immediately and without effort what I wanna show them - btw it is not an erected pennis nor a vivisected animal and as has already been stated there are "better" sites for this kind of pictures, freely accessible).

On the other hand I understand Ipernity striving for conformity with law. But please not over-exaggerated! And if the law is so strict (it seems to be strict - search google for "enculer" and then do the same search using some french "moteur-recherche"...) then I would suggest moving the servers and business abroad - it is not a problem today, is it?). This solution cannot be used:
fr.altavista.com/web/results?itag=ody&q=enculer&kgs=1&kls=0 ?
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )
Jan Popelka edited this reply 21 months ago.
-mcb replies:
Moving the servers abroad isnt a solution. i think French law goes along with the German - just moving the servers isn't enough. You would have to set up a buisness abroad that owns the servers.
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )
Jan Popelka says:
Yes, I meant that. Servers and business, or maybe business would be enough. But it was meant as a last resort, hypothetical option. I believe it should be pretty easy to find a workable solution which can satisfy both lawyers and users. I would be very sorry if I had to leave this site because of some unimportant yet annoying filtering system, while I joined the site mainly because of its liberal approach to multilingualism, inovative features and attention to users' feedback.
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink )
A Team ipernity pro says:
We've just published a new proposal. The discussion continues here: www.ipernity.com/group/36490/discuss/13963
Posted 21 months ago. ( permalink / translate )

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