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A slightly different approach to the subject
Posted on Saturday January 19, 2008 at 04:50.
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I think, at the end a slightly different approach to the issue can be a solution. Grouping certain subjects together in green, yellow, red and black lists will provoke objections by users, it was exactly this kind of setting weired global standards that provoked the desaster of flickr.
Avoid it, please!
Yet I agree that moderation and classification of posts and uploads must be done to meet first of all French, then EU laws AND worldwide moral minimum standards.
And still keep the freedom we all so daringly treasure in the web.
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An easy step 1:
In order to keep track with who is actually looking at things I would propose more privacy settings: "visible to logged in members only" and "visible to MY contacts only" in addition to friends and family. The benefit of this is that without much work from Team Ipernity it is easy supress a lot of reactions by outsiders who are not even part of the wider Ipernity and, more narrow, specific user network.
Up till now -I think- the social control works pretty well here we're nowhere near the flickr dirt. In most cases members will contact up-loaders on a specific issue for review before contacting the TEAM and make them work...
May be a function like "Contact member about this picture/post/content..." on every page is a help here!
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A sophisticated step 2:
I know what follows comes probably with a massive coding and research work, but the result might do the big difference. I propose a multi-layered content rating system, where every upload must be reviewed in general OR in detail by the member.
A general review is by simply checking a green, yellow or red box for the relevant grouped content. That should be the minimum requirement and be sort of safe for the whole planet.
Alternatively, the user should be given the chance to choose from a pretty detailed list of contence which then allows the team to create a dynamic local filtering system. Full frontal nudity at the naturist beach does not rise an eyebrow in Germany, but might blow-off someone from the chair in the US, not to speak of possible sanctions from state authority in -for example- Arabian countries. The job is then to find out what has to be grouped in what color in which country.
The Users should be able to select in their profile what they actually accept to see or not. Also, the green section should be looked at carefully. Blood for example can be in a harmless picture, yet some people can simply not see it even on pictures. Why not allowing them to supress such pictures?
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For Germany:
As for Germany and their age verification requrements for "adult" content: as long as Ipernity's servers are not located nor any of the service is oficially provided from here in Germany I would not waste to many thoughts on that issue in the first place. It is not finally discussed on the legislative side. As long as everyone in Germany can log into flickr with an US account and look at real s h i t someone would have to look at that first and then at Ipernity. There would be still enough time to implement effective age verification then and may be that technology is more advanced then to provide it easily.
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TEAM - thanks for the open participation for us!
-Kristian
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Iljuschin pro says:
I disagree with the second point.
Too complicated.
ipernity just have to satisfy some FR laws, and as long I am not an lawyer i could not say anything to this. If the law is satisfied after, and I can get RID of the filter all is ok.
We have enogh yaers to wait till every internet acces from anywhere on this planet is logged with identity and a personal set up of others what you shold see and read and what not, ok?
TideSurfer pro replies:
I just see a imminent danger of that if there is only one global content rating someone might try to force ipernity to disallow certain members to switch their filters generally off. Example: Some Asian country wants to block Ipernity completely for showing genitals...and blood is ok ? X-rate the genitals and let them see blood then - why block it all!
I don't understand what you mean with your last sentence.
Iljuschin pro says:
My last sentence means: Since there is yet no possiblity to track every internet traffic to a person initiating this traffic with legally proven authentication (for commercial use!) there is no real way to provide age verification or legally proven assignment to a nationality of a user (and attached laws).
I am very glad about that, but not very optimistic that this will remain.
TideSurfer pro replies:
www.ipernity.com/group/36490/discuss/13545
which can be altered a little I see about 20 to 25 possible checkboxes. Add one for "Politically sensitive in certain countries" so your example has a checkmark there, under violence (torture of human beings), maybe also blood and there you are!
It's just similar to ebay: here and there you post something in some category.
As for the programming: I think the coding for checking 3 categories or even categories with sub categories can be managed.
If...then...else...if...then....else.... end.
There are way far more complicated things to do!
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TideSurfer pro says:
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