ipernity workshop: content rating and filtering system / Discussions

How do you check the age? German law requires a lot of stuff which makes it usually impracticable to do anything...

It would be nice if you could do some "Profiles" like "At work". There are some pictures on IP which I like to see at home, but at work they might trigger some discussions (although I shouldn't look at IP at work anyway and actually work ;-) )

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Members between 13 and 17 are no more children. They must have complete choice.
Strict for anonymous is a pity. It will close once more the site on itself. I would hope on the contrary that it open more to the world outside.

Not particular rules for a country could be good, except that it obliges to follow the rules of the less tolerating. The question of "profanity" is an example of that bad good idea

In Norway a child is considerate as such untill 18 years.. Then they have the right to vote, buy porn, smoke sigs, buy beer, drive a car ... Who's countries laws should we obey? Surely not Norwegians ... eh? ;)

That said, I do not think a 13 year old is fit to see all what is, and if (s)he wants to, I do hope not a photo sharing site like iper is the place (s)he goes to first. Yay for anti-censorship, of course, but I do not want this place to turn into an anarchy porn site either. For what its worth, these people ruin it for people like Christine L. and her like minded.

1. I think "pro members" should be old enough to pay - so their default setting should be "deactivated".

2. I'm curious about the age verification system you are planning too. Usually US adult sites allow access to hardcore content just with a click at "I'm 18 years or above". So if you just ask a user once per session before he/she can access orange or red content, it should be enough for that part of the world.

but a "child" that is able to surf through the web is able to click whatever button, no matter what's on it.
my kids were able to do that since they were 4 or so.
it's true it's up to me as their parent to prevent them from surfing to inapproprate and insecure and adult pages. but i think this button "18 or over" doesnt make that much sense (alone)

Yes indeed! Protecting kids is absolutely the task of thier parents. This oversized german youth protection law which might result in effective filters for adults is at the end ridicoulous because it does not prevent the internet from youporn.com servers hosted elsewhere without any login and really explicit content. As long as the age verification here will be implemented as described from iperity team and we do not have to sign up with a post ident process, and can decativate the filter, all is fine.
Mainly this feature is needed for ipenity to be safe against justice problems.

About age verification: age is calculated on the basis of birth date declared by members when signing up. We assume this is not 100% reliable, but there is no other 100% reliable age verification system. Our goal is not to replace parents role and responsibility but to prevent "as best as we can" unwanted access to inappropriate content.

Well, there is one. But if you use it, you’ll block about 99 percent of all german users, because we don’t use a credit card in the internet (most of us don’t even HAVE such thing *g*). Using the birthday setting is okay, i guess.

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I agree until you can find a different-better way to handle the age verification you will use what you have. I would say 'we will continue to search for a more useful way"...but that's just me.

Our goal is not to replace parents role and responsibility but to prevent "as best as we can" unwanted access to inappropriate content.

Just like with parenting...you must try 100%-give it everything you have (your words "as best as we can") and yes, there will be somethings that get through the cracks but at the end of the day, you will be able to say... I gave it all I had, i gave 100%. I think this is all you can do and i commend you for it.

same for me...

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Hi there...

I agree about parental responsability. My daughter is never left alone when she's on our computer, which we decided to be situated in our living room in order to be able to control its use.
I agree about the need of 'parental protect' software, even if it never replaces reel parental control.

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For example, Ipernity is not, today, declared as offensive in most of these software. And everybody knows that kind of software is not 100% sure (which explain the need of parental control, etc...)

Christine, I do not consider your art as offensive, and I'd never think about filtering it... But I sometimes find some bad porn on Ipernity. Kind of amateur pictures which have been shot in a sexual goal, not art.

I think having a way to choose, sometimes, not to be exposed to "orange" or "red" content just because I want to browse Ipernity photostreams with my daughter to show her nice pics would be a great idea (even if I know this won't be 100% sure neither).

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Some of my "art nudes" are considered as "pornographic" by some people nevertheless, it is the reason why I react Sophie.

The only good parental filter is the one that the parents set up. If I decide that Ipernity is not convenient for my children, I block it and I don't need somebody else to decide on it on my place.

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But Christine, we're talking about a way to let Ipernity members decide weither they want to see "red" content or not...
And Ipernity is not "all" bad for children, my daughter loves to see pictures of our friends and family which are also on Ipernity... Do I have to 'block' all Ipernity because only few members use it as a kind of 'porn pics collector' ?

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Never seen here any kind of porn. Maybe I did not searched for, maybe there is no porn distibuter in my network...

Maybe you're not using Ipernity as much as I do, maybe you're less curious than I can be, maybe my network is unsane...
However, it's like insurance, you pay for it even if you never have a car incident... :)

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Maybe I do not use ipernity so frequently as you. As told before: if I am able to switch off the filter, this is all no problem. Better: I can afterwards swiitch to show me red content, just for my curiosity...

I occasionally set my IpernityFox to show me new pictures of everyone. Yes, sometimes (rarely) there is really bad porn, I think mostly from women and men trying to sell themselves but I do not think that they stay here for a long time. I personally think that filters are not useful in any way but alas, there are some laws which make it necessary. Let us make it as transparent as possible and as liberal as possible. I would have no problems to show all of Christines pictures to children >13 and I think that we as Europeans should practice a littlle bit more tolerance than these fundamentalists from the other side. I do *not* want to give way to these strange people who think that a naked human body is something bad and evil.

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I do not have problem with nudity, it that precise case I have problem with pornography, which is almost different.

I'm half italian, half swedish, I easily understand you're german point of view as you have to understand that even if naked human body is not evil, some pictures can hurt children sensibility.

My 5 y.0. daughter is used to see me or her father naked, we really don't have any problem with this, we share the same bathroom and so on... But we do not have sex in front of her.

Filtering explicit sexual content is, IMO, a good thing.

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DEVIANTart changed their system recently and their filter is flexible and interesting.
I encourage you to think about something similar.

what is is about exactly? i dont have an account there.

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