ipernity workshop: content rating and filtering system / Discussions

First: thanks for open a discussion before implementing. I really appreciate.

Now, I put here my own proposition, at this stage of the discussion:

we must separate rating and filtering:

So I propose:

Filtering:

because of the importance of subjectivity, it is impossible to follow precise guidelines as the ones you propose, so we must simplify what is about censorship

- just two categories: red and green ( green would includes orange - and "artistic" red (see the post of Serge about art nudity) (black is out of discussion of course)

Rating:
- we can stay with something next to what you propose:
it will just be then an indication without direct implication on filtering, more of the responsability and the decision of the one who post, than filtering, wich you have the necessity to moderate.

A little more complicate technically, but more simple to follow , and less discussion after.

I don't understand the reason for a black category. If something is illegal, wouldn't that mean that you'd need to remove it anyway?

agree

absolutely agree, and why is "rape and murder ...etc " red and not black?

@ team ipernity:
thanks for the ability to discuss though, we have been talking about that months ago and you promised to include the users. this is what i love about you.

About "rapes, murders", we are talking about depiction, fiction (no real scene).

And how do we know if it is staged rather than real?

i think black is "too much"
if it's illegal, it's not online
so ... it don't exist here on Ipernity
keep focused on important things, you (ipernity) are supposed to deleted all illegal content

and about the other colors, we'll see what's coming up there in the following days
Shine on

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I'm not sure, but I suppose that using this definitions of illegal violent content, the majority of war photojournalism would be rated as black (and some of Robert Capa's masterpieces too...)

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Depends on whether it's glorifying or documenting

Who wil judge what's glorifying and what's documenting. I remember the senseless discussions on the Christiane F. movie and book

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Someone, but not me :-p
I don't know your specific case, but I think discussions about this are never senseless, as it isn't a white or black decision. Some things are only able to be decided by a person who's authority is respected by most others.

Actually "black" content must not exist in ipernity. We added "black" category only for moderation use. No worry we can remove that "black" category if it's confusing.

I agree with these 3 categories (green, orange, red).
Bigoode is right to say that black one shouldn't exist...

How could this system work?
I think everyone of us should tag his photos when uploading.
That's not a perfect filtering system, but does a better one exist?
Illegal content should be removed by iperniteam.

How to choose a category?
Ain't no use in writing long complicated rules:
Everyone should be able to choose which pictures could be shown to his own children or not.

Thanks to ipernity for creating this discussion process about that subject.

I think it is indeed necessary to have such a filtering system. I often browse Ipernity with my daughter next to me, watching pictures and commenting, and I'd like to be able to prevent a bad 'surprise' in those precise moments.

Regarding illegal content, I don't think photojournalism is concerned, that should be rated red, it's not illegal to show pictures of war as long as they are 'objective' and not incitating to violence.

However, it will be be a hard work to decide which pic should be rated red or orange...

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Je sens qu'on va rigoler avec ce sujet !!
ca va etre genial !!

Traduction :

Proposition d'Ipernity

- Vert : Pour tout age, avec peu ou pas de violence, ni nudity ou sexualité.

- Orange : Ne convient pas aux enfants, violence modérée ou contenu à connotation érotique.

- Rouge : Limité aux adultes, avec violence, vulgarité ou sexualité explicite.

- Noir : Illegal

Règles

- Les contenus notés sont : articles, photos, videos, audios, autres.

- Les membres doivent noter leurs propres documents au moment de la mise en ligne (classification par défaut possible)



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En effet, t'abuuuuses :)
Le sujet est en ligne depuis ce matin, il y a des gens qui travaillent, il y a le décalage horaire, il y a le week end, tu verras lundi qu'il aura suscité bien plus de réactions que ça.

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Yes, team, I must say thank you for respecting all of us and letting us know that our opinion matters. I agree there does need to be some restriction on things because of children foremost and because some people may not want to view it. I think restricting it gives you a choice, whether you view it or not. Unlike f*ckr (yes my site will be all red! ;) ) who just did it and the others didn't have a choice to view it or not, but was automatically told No. So thank you for this.

First of all: thank you for starting a discussion on this beforehand.

So, since you asked, here are my 2 cents: A distinction between the proposed orange and red will be very difficult to make in many cases, not only for content authors. Consider, for example, the following image:

Green, orange or red?

Subject to debate, isn't it?
Apart from the above, probably none of my images come even close to a slight orange tinge in the green, but the moment you implement this content filtering system, I shall simply set all my images to 'restricted'. Just to make sure to:
- not tread on anybody's toes
- And as an act of solidarity with the many photographers here whose work I admire and who might not find it as easy to classify every single one of their images into one of those categories.
Kids won't be able to see landscapes then. So what.

In summary: if you feel you must do it, please make it as simple and easy as possible for content authors. And transparent for the users, based on what decisions they might not have access to what. Not like... elsewhere. Merci beaucoup.

In accordance with what Charp said above: one first step could be to wipe that 'orange' category off the whiteboard again.

Yes, I think too the orange category should be wiped out.

@Sø... what ¿!¿! :

"Regarding illegal content, I don't think photojournalism is concerned, that should be rated red, it's not illegal to show pictures of war as long as they are 'objective' and not incitating to violence."

Well... actually it is illegal under French law (under certain circumstances), objective or not. So there goes (some part of) photojornalism :(

The original text (posted by Team Ipernity in ipernity workshop: content rating and filtering system):
The French law says: excepting for the needs of movies, shows, exhibitions including an historical reminder, it's forbidden to wear or exhibit publicly an uniform, a badge or an emblem recalling uniforms, badges or emblems weared or exhibited either by members of criminal organization, or by a person convicted of crime(s) against humanity by a French or international court.

The original text:
"Est puni de l'amende prévue pour les contraventions de la 5e classe le fait, sauf pour les besoins d'un film, d'un spectacle ou d'une exposition comportant une évocation historique, de porter ou d'exhiber en public un uniforme, un insigne ou un emblème rappelant les uniformes, les insignes ou les emblèmes qui ont été portés ou exhibés soit par les membres d'une organisation déclarée criminelle en application de l'article 9 du statut du tribunal militaire international annexé à l'accord de Londres du 8 août 1945, soit par une personne reconnue coupable par une juridiction française ou internationale d'un ou plusieurs crimes contre l'humanité prévus par les articles 211-1 à 212-3 ou mentionnés par la loi n° 64-1326 du 26 décembre 1964.

We haven't taken any decision and are listening to everyone's point of view. We'll answer in a couple of days with a new proposal which will be discussed again. Thanks to all for participating!

We've just published a new proposal: www.ipernity.com/group/36490/discuss/13963
The current discussion is closed and redirected to this new post.