Group: Ipernity Members Association Project


Do not leave, please


LutzP
By A LutzP
March  1, 2017 - 127 comments - 2 512 visits

There is a very realistic chance, that we will succeed with our effort to save Ipernity. But there are a lot of things to do. It may be a matter of days to come to a conclusion.
127 comments - The latest ones
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
Hi Lutz
I am not leaving until I know whether we have a home here with the IMA or not. We the members are hoping that all will go well and stay here. Best of luck with the Negotiations Regards Tess.
20 months ago.
StoneRoad2013
StoneRoad2013
Indeed, Lutz, much time is needed for discussions and negotiations to take place. Whilst they are taking place, there is little that can be said other than
"Please wait, patiently, and do not leave ! ".
When there is news, we will say so.
20 months ago.
William Sutherland
William Sutherland
I agree with everyone. Please stay and don't be discouraged! We're already into March and Ipernity remains up, which is an expression of faith by Ipernity S.A. of IMA's efforts to save the site. If they felt IMA's efforts had little or no chance of success, the site would have been shutdown already.

Much thanks goes to everyone who has stayed and is keeping this a vibrant, interactive community. :)
20 months ago.
Pam J
Pam J
I have been going through site negotiations on another site for , on and of.... FIVE years.

Silence is not helpful... but also understanding that all cannot be discussed. Its a fine line.

As I have said on that other site many times..... even if you just say on a REGULAR (once a week is regular) basis.... something like....

"We are still negotiating... can't really discuss it.. but please know we are here and working at a solution"

Believe me.. THAT helps !

Meantime... I am here.. on a daily basis.. I encourage others to stay... I try to pass on info such as we have. I will not leave till that is the only alternative .
20 months ago.
Fizgig
Fizgig
Not much point in uploading new content, etc. given the uncertain future of the site.... Not much point in trying to maintain a collection of 5K photos when memberships are expiring all over the place and people can't access their own content..... People have put up with a holding pattern since Dec. --- life goes on. I certainly am not uploading any new content....

And then, there is the issue that even if the site is saved, MANY people will be priced out. So, knowing that, what reason do they have to stay? In hopes of being someone's charity case?

I still have content here, but, come March 30th, I will more than likely be removing 99% of it because I'm tired of waiting -- besides canceling accts. by request & on behalf of family members who have no interest whatsoever in paying 50€ just to share photos with a handful of contacts. Besides that, I don't agree one bit with the proposed fee for staying on this site. It'll be turned into photo sharing for the elite.... I live in NYC.... I don't need more elitist, non-inclusive attitudes in life ;) Much less so in a virtual world... I think if people had any reason whatsoever to believe that the 50€ fee is just a number for paperwork, more would stay. But, between that and all the other issues and uncertainties one really shouldn't blame folks for throwing in the proverbial towel.

"When there is news, we will say so...." I got news for y'all.... All this hush-hush negotiation stuff is getting tiresome. And people are getting the sense that they could well lose their content at any moment. So, yeah, keep all the details and progress hush-hush and watch activity dwindle and accts. being canceled. But, at least no one knew what was going on behind the scenes.... no big secrets to divulge....

Furthermore, the ipernity staff was supposed to provide a means for folks to download their content or transfer it to another site.... That, along with other promises and assurances, didn't come to fruition. So, yeah, people feel like they need to take care of that stuff on their own and that is time consuming for the most prolific users of this site. They don't have time to be active in groups, etc., and deal with backing up and/or moving their content to a site with a brighter, more certain future. And, really, given the state of the site, expirations on club accts. should've been halted so that people had ample opportunity to deal with their content.

It's very clear that even if the platform is saved, the future of the site is no less in doubt. No business plan, no way of generating income aside from high membership fees, no tech. staff, no real fee structure (seems to be all or nothing).... Long list of issues.... And for that, a small minority of members will be required to pay a premium fee.... A fee that, you'll soon find, the majority will not be able to afford --- and among that majority will also be the people to don't think it's fair to have the fee set so high, for one, and to price diversity out, for another. Salvation of the platform has a glimmer of hope, I agree.... Long-term survival of the site is doubtful, unfortunately.

Efforts are commendable, to be sure, but, unfortunately, the current ownership of the site has made such a mess of it that it's not likely to be pulled out of the red in the long-term. No in this economic climate.... Unless you have someone with real experience running a site like this in that hidden bag of goodies the rest of us don't get to see... It's not easy.... Even Flickr's future is in doubt now that Yahoo's been sold and is losing staff all over the place.

It's nice that some are able to look at this through rose colored glasses..... The eternal optimists =) The rest will continue to leave..... Or, at the very least, cease activity while doing exactly what the IMA folks say they should, "wait and hope".
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
LutzP has replied to Fizgig
... can I have the executive summary please? ;-))
20 months ago.
John Sheldon has replied to Fizgig
It's a pity you feel so strongly that Ipernity is a hopeless case. Obviously it is good for you that you have found 23hq so satisfactory and that you have found such faith in it. I think that there are a lot of people like me who would find it more difficult to select an alternative website to satisfy our preferences and needs. Like them, I will continue to use Ipernity as before while we wait to hear just what will be required of us - in fact, not in rumour or speculation - as members if our website is to continue.
20 months ago.
Fizgig has replied to LutzP
"... can I have the executive summary please? ;-))"

Sure..... The light at the end of this tunnel is most likely a speeding train.... Howzat for a summary?

"It's a pity you feel so strongly that Ipernity is a hopeless case."

I'm certainly not alone, though, am I? Activity has come to a virtual standstill. I don't think it's completely hopeless, that's not what I was saying really.... I'm a realist. I don't do rose-colored glasses and all that. But, I'm still here until the site either goes under or the 50€ fee is imposed, but I will not be uploading new content as I don't feel I'd have the time to update my backups in time. Besides that, my club membership will expire at which point I won't even be able to photo share based on older content through no fault of my own. With that expiration I will be removing all invisible content. If I can't see it, managed it, work with it, the site can't have it either.... Don't blame me or those leaving {or have already left} for lack of confidence in the site.... The owners knew for more than a year that it was circling the drain and didn't bother to tell anyone The current state of affairs and lack of confidence is all on them =\ So, please, excuse those of us who just don't feel any confidence in their participation in saving a site they clearly don't care about anymore. Believe me, it would be nice if that weren't the case!
20 months ago.
Jaap van 't Veen has replied to Fizgig
Als u van plan bent Ipernity te verlaten, doe het dan meteen. Dan blijf ik - en velen met mij - verschoond van uw negativisme. Laat de mensen die wel vertrouwen hebben in het werk van de leden van IMA met rust en verziek niet iedere discussie met steeds dezelfde argumenten.

Lutz vraagt in deze discussie alleen maar om te blijven en nog steeds geduld te hebben. Is het teveel gevraagd om het daar wel of niet mee eens te zijn ??
20 months ago.
HappySnapper has replied to Fizgig
He who does not hope to win has already lost.
20 months ago.
John Sheldon has replied to Fizgig
"Activity has come to a virtual standstill" - actually I am finding so many new postings to the groups I belong to that it is difficult to do them all justice. It would be sad to think that people are leaving Ipernity because they have lost hope or simply lost patience with the time the recovery plan is taking. I would hate to think that I had in any way prompted them to lose hope or lose patience and hence to lose out on what Ipernity may become as a result of the enthusiasm of the IMA members.
20 months ago.
Sami Serola
Sami Serola
We are all busy people, and we can't expect too much from those kind people trying to get IMA running as soon as possible.

What comes to the feeling of not willing to upload anything as long as the situation is uncertain, I say I felt the same way at first. But now that we at least have some hope, I say please keep on sharing! IN general it much more important to share and in that way communicate with others on social media, than to be worried whether something does not last. What I have learned during all so many years online, is that present is more important than past. Social media is about communication, not to about putting up archives. Personal computers, CDs DVDs and hard drives are much more reliable for that.

So, share now, worry later! ;-)

And great thanks for the IMA team and Ipernity team for all the hard work. No matter if you succeed or not, you have at least tried! =)
20 months ago.
Heidiho has replied to Sami Serola
Share now, worry later !

.... the best sentence I read today.
Thanks, Sami !
20 months ago.
Stormlizard has replied to Sami Serola
Very true Sami, being active is evidence that we want to use the place and does not go un-noticed.
19 months ago.
StoneRoad2013
StoneRoad2013
I am still here and staying here.
Still waiting for our response to the counter offer.
This is expected to take some time. I an sure that Advice will need to be taken, and other consultations need to happen, these are discussions and negotiations. They take time.
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For example, I am involved with some charities in England and Wales. Registration can take MONTHS of to and froing between trustees and the Charity Commission. And that is so even when everybody involved has the same first language.
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I prefer to keep positive about this complex situation. To be honest, I find the constant negativity of some members very annoying and disheartening, especially when those members are unwilling to offer any help, only posting destructive criticism.

Please be patient, whilst we wait.
Please keep adding content and interacting with others
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When we have news to share, we will do so.
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20 months ago.
Peter Castell
Peter Castell
To those working hard to save the site please don't be disheartened by negative comments.
It is impossible to please all of the people all of the time, and some are impossible to please any of the time. Thank you for your efforts
20 months ago.
Jaap van 't Veen has replied to Peter Castell
Well said Peter !!!!
20 months ago.
John Sheldon has replied to Peter Castell
Again, what needs saying is well said!
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna has replied to Peter Castell
+ 1 Peter.
20 months ago.
Jaap van 't Veen
Jaap van 't Veen
Will stay and be active 'till the end'.
20 months ago.
aNNa schramm
aNNa schramm
Thinks positively - that makes life easier
and all my best wishes to IMA / (IP)
greetings aNNa*

P.S. And become a member >>>
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/network
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
LutzP
LutzP
Thanks to all for your encouragement and determination, the offer of IMA is on the table now! There is a very realistc chance, that we can pull this off.
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Jaap van 't Veen has replied to LutzP
Thank you Lutz and others !!
20 months ago.
autofantasia has replied to LutzP
Hoping it's well received by them ... good luck guys! :)
20 months ago.
Ulrich John
Ulrich John
Danke, Lutz ! Still alive !
20 months ago.
HappySnapper
HappySnapper
Fingers crossed.
20 months ago.
Lorna Mchardy
Lorna Mchardy
I've stopped uploading.
I'm still here.
Waiting.
With zero updates or information for great long periods of time.
It's not that I think it's hopeless, or am unwilling to give it a chance etc. etc. etc.
But silence is BAD.
I have reached the stage where I'm getting used to not uploading.
That ain't good.....
20 months ago.
raingirl has replied to Lorna Mchardy
fyi - in this stream of comments LutzP just wrote:
"Thanks to all for your encouragement and determination, the offer of IMA is on the table now! There is a very realistc chance, that we can pull this off."
I hope that counts as an update for you.
20 months ago.
Andrea Riberti
Andrea Riberti
I'm here as well. I will stay 'till the definitive issue.
20 months ago.
L. L. Wall has replied to Andrea Riberti
... link arms ... we stay ...
20 months ago.
Boarischa Krautmo
Boarischa Krautmo
na dann abwarten..... ;-)
20 months ago.
HappySnapper
HappySnapper
I'm hanging in because I feel it will be alright in the end.
20 months ago.
Marko Novosel
Marko Novosel
We stay!
Even if we dont post often we are here communicating and keep the spirit alive.
When this all started i didnt miss one comment and iam always happy when i see new person commenting.
Thank you to all people who are trying to save this place and to those who stay.
20 months ago.
Peggy C
Peggy C
This is worth staying and giving you our support -- even if only in sending good thoughts to you !

Agree with Marko ..'' we stay! ''
20 months ago.
tiabunna
tiabunna
I'm sticking around too - best wishes to the IMA team.
20 months ago.
Annemarie
Annemarie
I am leaving for 2 weeks travel
Hope to find you when I am back!
hugs and love
20 months ago.
Annemarie
Annemarie
thanks my friends
see you soon
20 months ago.
Jaap van 't Veen
Jaap van 't Veen
I would say:
Do not leve please (as Lutz said), but keep posting and be active as well.
20 months ago.
Colin Ashcroft
Colin Ashcroft
Agreed and post your new photos
20 months ago.
L. L. Wall
L. L. Wall
... staying; waiting; enjoying the photos, commenting (but not posting) ...
... recent departees: nonsensical (wait this long, and then leave ... why? to go where? no other site is like this one; as suitable as this one ... camaraderie) ...
20 months ago.
╰☆☆June☆☆╮
╰☆☆June☆☆╮
Still here, and posting.
I have to say although there have been a few people leaving Ipernity, my groups are still busy, with members posting daily, which is very heartening, we are not giving up just yet !!!!

Thanks again to everyone for your hard work.
20 months ago.
StoneRoad2013
StoneRoad2013
I'm still uploading, although other demands on my time are making delays.
I have quite a few images to turn public from private.
20 months ago.
Johan
Johan
I have not given up on Ipernity yet, and I really hope the efforts will result in success!
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
Blog www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186298

Up Date From Eric
Eric Desjours
04/03/2017 news: Ipernity SA said to get in touch with us this weekend (4-5/03/2017) to give their point of view regarding our offer.
At this hour we are still waiting for their communication. As soon as it is known, we will consult each other then indicate you the terms and implications.

Ipernity SA has always been positive regarding our project and always wished to make our points of view coincide. That's all we can say right now.
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
Thanks for the update Eric& Team. Much appreciated. Regards Tess
20 months ago.
M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !! ( Marj ) I LoVe it here !
M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !!…
I really can't see the problem as to why people are leaving..... ipernity is still running along as usual, the only difference less activity.... I wonder why !!!!!
You have to be patient & wait & stop whinging & being negative all the time. it's tiresome . There are good people that are working hard behind the scenes to keep us running & IT ALL TAKES TIME !!!!
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Jaap van 't Veen has replied to M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !!…
Well said !!
20 months ago.
Peter Castell has replied to M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !!…
I fully agree with you why stop posting and commenting nothing has changed, and if the moaners don't like what the IMA are trying to do why didn't they get involved when the closure was first announced
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
Regarding the apparent decree in activity and possible loss of members I wrote to IP Team
and received this reply this morning
Ticket #38024
My Question

Hi Team
May I ask
1
Is there evidence of members deleting their membership in the last few month. ( Excluding Dormant Accounts you have Deleted.)
2
Is there evidence of recent lack of activity by members within Ipernity
I would be grateful if you could answer these questions.
IP Reply

Yes, we have means to measure movement(I don't have access to it); it is certain that we lost Club/non-Club members within month since the first announcement of shutdown have been made (not that much of Club members).
However, we continue to regularly gain new members including Club.

I do see a little less pictures appearing in my tool for moderation; including the What's Hot since a month. (I'd say 10% less)

Best regards,
Audrey

My opinion of the sitituation.
So with this information I think the loss of members is being balanced by increase in new members ( if IP are correct )
The decrease in activity of 10% is not as bad as some might think.
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
William Sutherland
William Sutherland
I remain confident and optimistic there will be a successful restructuring of the Ipernity platform. Because of this, I remain active commenting, moderating in groups requiring this activity and recently posted an article that took time and research, not to mention getting some of my photos I took over the last 10 years and putting them together to present in the article. I would not put in this time and effort if I thought the platform would shut down and everything would be lost.

Thank you Tess for your update re: memberships. Although IMA cannot see membership activity, it is my strong belief that the new Ipernity will be a vibrant and viable platform with a bright, long-term stable future with a loyal membership base ensuring a stronger and more viable platform.
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Jaap van 't Veen has replied to William Sutherland
Hope you are right William.
20 months ago.
autofantasia has replied to William Sutherland
Sounds very positive and encouraging William ... fingers crossed! ;)
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna has replied to William Sutherland
l am supporting the IMA Team. I appreciate all your efforts to date to save this IP/IMA site. The Truth is if you guys / girls were not active in your commitments too find a way forward The ship would sink.

Having said that it is going to be so important if and when the deal is finalized how you structure the new IMA site. In particular how the IMA will put an affordable layering system too allow the possibility that all or most members can contribute financially to the site.
Just my opinion and I know I am not on my one with this outlook.
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Roadscum
Roadscum
I'm still here and i'm not going anywhere unless the place does shut down. I haven't posted anything for a while but when all the uncertainty is over and i know what's going to happen i'll begin uploading the backlog of stuff that's only been posted to my flickr account which i run in parallel to this one.
Meself i can't think of any other way to approach it, be ready for the worst but keep hoping for the best.
And many, many thanks to Mr Sutherland and friends for all the effort they've put in to saving Ipernity, whether they succeed or not they deserve a medal for their hard work.
20 months ago.
M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !!… has replied to Roadscum
Dear Roadscum ........Have faith & keep posting to keep us alive, as said before everything is still the same !!!!
20 months ago.
mmrainey
mmrainey
I second what Roadscum just said! I'm in similar vein ... pausing to see what the outcome is, but hoping for the best. Thanks for all the efforts of the IMA members.
20 months ago.
M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !!… has replied to mmrainey
Hello mmrainey ........Have faith & keep posting to keep us alive, as said before everything is still the same !!!!
20 months ago.
HappySnapper
HappySnapper
Thanks for everything guys, I'm in always.
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
New Up Date from Eric
06/03/2017: this weekend Ipernity SA announced a short delay in their communication to us, for internal logistics reasons. We're expecting it soon.
20 months ago.
Xata
Xata
Glad and keeping active here...even if not very available at the moment.
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186298
Latest Update
07/03/2017: IMA received its receipt for filing. This allows IMA to begin business -- open a bank account for CrowdFunding and ultimately running the Ipernity platform. It also means the official certificate will be issued in about 2-3 weeks.
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
mmrainey has replied to Tess Mc Kenna
Excellent news!
20 months ago.
Anne H
Anne H
I have been busy elsewhere (doing other things, actually - not trying other photo sharing sites) so not very active here at the moment. Glad to see there is hope and willingness to continue. I am not leaving. I should resume activity soon - no reason not to.
20 months ago.
M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !! ( Marj ) I LoVe it here !
M♥rJ Photogr♥phy !!…
To all ..........Have faith & keep posting to keep us alive ................ !!!!
20 months ago.
StoneRoad2013
StoneRoad2013
News -

Update from William Sutherland. (posted 10 March 2017)

www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186298/comment/50234040#comment50234040
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186298/comment/50234040#comment50234040
Latest Update

William Sutherland
09/03/2017: IMA and Ipernity S.A. are close to an agreement. I'm hopeful it will be attained sometime tomorrow. If so, the terms will be published here. Please know that the agreement if finalized is aimed at meeting the best interests of the Ipernity platform, IMA and the platform's members' interests.

In anticipation, IMA will be establishing a bank account in France and opening a Paypal account to facilitate revenue receipts and payment of operating expenses. IMA also anticipates the start of a CrowdFunding campaign early next week and once it is underway, daily updates will be given. Please know, it is critical people contribute as soon as possible without delay when CrowdFunding is underway since a decision will have to be made within about 2 weeks whether to continue to the platform into April. The combined March and April costs are approximately 10,000 € (Amazon in agreement with Ipernity S.A. allowed the platform to operate this month with expectation that the payments will be made in April).

In addition, please be aware that annual operating expenses for the Ipernity platform are approximately 66,000 €. This does not provide any funds for contingency reserves, future obligations, platform upgrades (for example, future conversion to https protocol as some have suggested), rate increases or other unanticipated expenses or shortfalls. Nevertheless, a stable club membership base near the reported membership figure is more than sufficient to maintain viability and offer a bright long-term future.

IMA thanks everyone for their patience, input, ideas and efforts to keep this site running and for your assistance to ensure a successful CrowdFunding campaign.
20 months ago.
raingirl
raingirl
excellent! wish there was an easy way for this information to be put out to the community as a whole. hopefully when the CrowdFunding is underway there will be an obvious notification.
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186298

William Sutherland
11/03/2017: Ipernity Members Association is now official. The official declaration of IMA was published this morning in Journal Officiel!

3 hours ago. Edited 3 hours ago.
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
Congratulation to the IMA Team for achieving the goal of succeeding to gain control of the IP/SA site.
Having said that the next step in my opinion is for the IMA to set out their proposals as to how they intend to maintain this site financially. We the members need a proper program of how the IMA will proceed before members commit to crowdfunding. Crowdfunding is essential to maintain the site financially for the next few month. But it is the IMA's long term plan as they present it that will be vital for members to commit financially to both crowdfunding and membership fees. ( Here I stress regarding membership fees should be tired to all members to contribute based on the personal financial circumstances.) Failure to do so will reduce membership numbers to be so low that the site would fail financially and also reduce the activity within the site would to be so low that it would not be attractive to continue as a member. Just my opinion.
Personally I am Wishing the IMA every success and hoping they will save this fantastic photosharing site.
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
William Sutherland has replied to Tess Mc Kenna
Tess,

IMA does not have control of the Ipernity platform. We are in negotiations. Transfer of ownership will likely occur in April contingent upon favorable crowdfunding results. IMA is an official organization recognized by the French authorities and thus a global legal entity.
20 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna has replied to William Sutherland
www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186298
I understand now your statement is that you are only stating now that the officially recognized organization by the Franch Authorities..
20 months ago.
Stormlizard
Stormlizard
I have no intention of leaving until the door is locked and bolted.

John.
20 months ago.
William Sutherland has replied to Stormlizard
Thank you for your loyalty to Ipernity, John!
20 months ago.
Juleann
Juleann
Good work! Thank you!! I know this is just the beginning, but I wish we could all pop a cork and have a toast together . . . .
20 months ago.
William Sutherland has replied to Juleann
I would prefer to wait until April since the next two weeks will likely be the most critical and decisive.
20 months ago.
raingirl
raingirl
I await the crowdfunding announcement! My understanding is that for the crowdfunding - no money changes hands until the crowdfunding is successful. That should help people feel comfortable participating.
20 months ago.
William Sutherland has replied to raingirl
I believe the crowdfunding platform holds the money until the stated goal is met. If this is so, not only does it provide comfort but it also makes life a lot easier for everyone at IMA especially if funds need to be returned.
20 months ago.
HappySnapper has replied to raingirl
Yes I think that that is the most sensible outcome, my only fear is that there has been a lot of negativity during the past six weeks and that may well have dampened the enthusiasm of those who want to see this through.
20 months ago.
raingirl
raingirl
CROWDFUNDING HAS BEGUN!!! CROWDFUNDING A COMMENCÉ
See the post here:

www.ipernity.com/group/2260604/discuss/186760

**** GO DONATE HERE: www.generosity.com/community-fundraising/ipernity-members-association-a-non-profit-entity/x/16237256

SPREAD THE NEWS AROUND ANY WAY YOU CAN - POST AS PHOTO, SHARE IN COMMUNITIES, SHARE ON FLICKR AND 23HQ, DECLARE FROM THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN!! COPY THIS AND PUT WHERE EVER YOU WANT.
20 months ago.
John Lawrence
John Lawrence
Still here, posting occasionaly and commenting the same, Will leave if the door closes or when my membership runs out (August) still haven't had an answer as whether current memberships will be honoured, If it comes to the figure stated for membership, I can't stay (simple) not telling the story again!! especially after being accused of not telling the truth!!!!!!!!!!
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Steve Bucknell
Steve Bucknell
Great news. Don't quibble. Get on board. Other issues can be worked through (or not) later.
20 months ago.
LutzP has replied to Steve Bucknell
...wise words!
19 months ago.
Pam J
Pam J
Here... staying here... VERY realistic.. and sick of the negativity

No.. there are no guarantees .. but as I recall there are NO guarantees about still being alive tomorrow !!

SO.. as I said.. here and realistic.. and

THANKFUL for those who have got us this far..
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Leo W
Leo W
I wonder why there are no start buttons from IP to the crowdfunding. Or an information to all users. Is this action top secret? In addition, only credit card is offered for payment. In Europe it is not a matter of course that everyone has one. Paypal or similar payment options would be sensible.
20 months ago.
Sami Serola has replied to Leo W
The crowdfunding is organized by and for IMA. So, Ipernity S.A. can only show that they agree on this.

And Ipernity S.A. have provided a link to the crowdfunding on their latest blog post: www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4653832

Link is just as good as a button ;-)
19 months ago.
Bergfex has replied to Leo W
Hallo Leo:
1) Für einen Startbutton of der IP-Site müsste jemand bei IP S.A. tätig werden. Dort ist aber niemand. (Christophe tut nix mehr. Er wartet nur noch darauf, ob das Crowfunding erfolgreich wird, oder ob er abschalten soll. IMA hat noch keinen Zugriff auf die Software.)
2) Leider bietet Indiegogo keine andere Zahlmöglichkeit an. Auch das liegt außerhalb unserer Einflussmöglichkeiten. (Wenn wir eine andere Crowfunding-Site gewählt hätten, wären immer Gebühren fällig geworden. Bei Indiegogo hongegen kann man die Gebühren bei non-profit-Projekten auf Null setzen.)
Wenn Du keine Kreditkarte hast, kann ich Dir anbieten, dass Du mir persönlich den Betrag überweist (Bankkonto oder Paypal), und ich ihn dann bei Indiegogo einzahle.
19 months ago. Edited 19 months ago.
raingirl has replied to Leo W
I have seen the issue of credit card only coming up many places, May I suggest that if you have a friend who could help you out that might work. Also, I have seen members helping members - but of course that will have to be done with trust between the two. One member donates for the other and the other sends paypal payment to the first.

I hope we can all try to find solutions!!
19 months ago.
Stormlizard has replied to Leo W
I had a problem when attempting topay using my Visa direct debit card, the collecting company has no agreement with Denmark.

As luck would have it a friendly user offered to pay on my behalf, and bill me via PayPal.
19 months ago.
Leo W has replied to Bergfex
Danke für dein Angebot, es war nur eine grundsätzliche Anmerkung, weil mir auch am Fortbestand liegt. Ich kann schon direkt bezahlen und tue es auch.

Für diejenigen ohne Kreditkarte sei angemerkt:
Es gibt auch kostenlose virtuelle Online-Prepaid-Kreditkarten unterschiedlicher Anbieter, die können für jegliche Online-Zahlungen genutzt werden. Das ist auch für Google play usw nützlich. Die kann bei Mißbrauch im Web nur bis zum vorhandenen Ladebetrag abgeräumt werden, wenn die Daten einmal in falsche Hände kommen sollten.
z.B.: secure.wirecard.com/mywirecard/#/meta/fees

Ich wusste nicht, dass der Notbetrieb nun so reduziert läuft.
Wird die IMA denn auch die Software, technischen Betrieb und die Server komplett übernehmen?
19 months ago. Edited 19 months ago.
©hristine .../...
©hristine .../...
à la destination de l'équipe d' IMA

Concernant le crowfunding, voulez-vous que j'envoie un ipermail aux personnes qui sont inscrites dans Le groupe : Le Carnet d'adresses... ou l'avez-vous déjà fait ?
19 months ago. Edited 19 months ago.
©hristine .../...
©hristine .../...
A DESTINATION DE L'EQUIPE IMA

Concernant le crowfunding, voulez-vous que j'envoie un ipermail aux personnes qui sont inscrites dans Le groupe : Le Carnet d'adresses... ou l'avez-vous déjà fait ?

Sur ce fil de discussion et dans mon article CROWDFUNDING IMA [Association des Membres d'Ipernity] , je vous ai fait cette proposition il y a 6 heures !!!
19 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna
Tess Mc Kenna
I googled the benifits and drawbacks of using indiegogo to crowdfund projects.

www.shopify.com/guides/crowdfunding/indiegogo-benefits-drawbacks
Fees

Indiegogo charges two kinds of fees in addition to a credit card or PayPal processing fee.

If you go with Flexible or Fixed Funding, Indiegogo charges 5% of your total sum raised along with payment processing in the 3-5% range depending no location. If you fail to reach the goal, you get charged nothing because you don’t receive anything at all.

So why have they not given the option to use PayPal for IMA. ( Have I misunderstood their payment options ?????????)
19 months ago.
autofantasia has replied to Tess Mc Kenna
I read somewhere else Tess that Generosity, which is the arm of Indiegogo that the IMA have elected to use doesn't allow Paypal transactions, but hopefully someone from the IMA will clarify this as soon as possible.
19 months ago.
Stormlizard has replied to autofantasia
I recieved an e-mail from Indiegogo regarding my failed attempt to Pay my Donation.

Screenshot of start to the mail.

Recieved by e-mail

The whole excersize of clicking all active links to Help gave no Joy, nor did I get an explaination other than 'You may have mis spelled or used an incorrect number etc.

I could not Finalize as Denmark was removed every time I wrote it as country of residence.
19 months ago. Edited 19 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna has replied to autofantasia
I wrote to Willaim but as yet have not received a reply.

Tess Query
I googled the benifits and drawbacks of using indiegogo to crowdfund projects.

www.shopify.com/guides/crowdfunding/indiegogo-benefits-drawbacks
Fees

Indiegogo charges two kinds of fees in addition to a credit card or PayPal processing fee.

If you go with Flexible or Fixed Funding, Indiegogo charges 5% of your total sum raised along with payment processing in the 3-5% range depending no location. If you fail to reach the goal, you get charged nothing because you don’t receive anything at all.

So why have they not given the option to use PayPal for IMA. ( Have I misunderstood their payment options ?????????)
19 months ago.
Sami Serola has replied to Tess Mc Kenna
Dear Tess, I hope you accept my replies as an explanation on this =)

I have already replied to you on Ipernity Team blog, and here's my reply again:

Indiegogo (company) actually offers two options. I suppose 'Generosity' was chosen because it is more suitable for this cause than 'Indiegogo':
support.generosity.com/hc/en-us/articles/212016158-FAQs-for-Organizers

"Should my campaign live on Indiegogo or Generosity?

Generosity is a place for people to raise funds for themselves, a loved one or a nonprofit. Indiegogo is a place to raise funds for a creative or entrepreneurial pursuit."


"How do donors give to my fundraiser?

Anyone with a credit card can donate to your fundraiser. Generosity accepts Visa, Mastercard, Discover, and American Express. At this time, we do not accept prepaid cards. Other third party payment processors, such as PayPal, are not available on Generosity."


In other words William (on behalf of IMA) chose generosity.com because by indiegogo it is the recommended option for nonprofit campaigns. And then that option does not offer any other options than credit card payments.

There are also other comments posted today, stating that PayPal as company actually no longer support any crowdfundings: techcrunch.com/2016/05/09/paypal-will-no-longer-protect-your-crowdfunding-cash
19 months ago.
autofantasia
autofantasia
Those that have been following what's being done to try and save ipernity may remember that prior to the IMA survey I carried out an unofficial poll.

Over 200 people took part in that and I have now revisited the responses and contacted them all individually (via email or by posting in their guestbook) to make them aware of the fact that a crowdfunding campaign has now begun.

Where their settings allow I have also posted the above image again to help raise awareness amongst the community as much as possible.

Please can the IMA confirm if they will similarly be contacting all of the people that completed their survey?

I seem to remember that to complete it you had to supply both your real world email address and provide your ipernity username so this should be possible! :)
19 months ago.
Tess Mc Kenna has replied to autofantasia
Brilliant idea. Paul. The IMA could help themselves alot by contacting all you pledged in the survey to contribute to crowdfunding. The pledged amount was €34,595
At present the figure that have contributed is

$10,781 USD
raised by 174 people in 2 days
43% of $25,000 goal
19 months ago.
autofantasia has replied to Tess Mc Kenna
Tess, I've raised that in a thread here already and got no reply. So then I raised it with one of the IMA founders direct by email and although I got a reply they didn't really answer the question as such.

I was told that they believe Ipernity are going to send an email to everyone and that "it is easy for them to email people and difficult for IMA since we have no master email list".

That to me doesn't really stand up. Yes, it would be impossible for the IMA to email everyone that uses ipernity, but I'm not talking about them, I'm talking about everyone that completed their survey. They collected email addresses or at least the survey asked for them and so although no master list as such might not exist creating one isn't exactly rocket science.

Or how about even just making sure they message everyone that has joined this group ... I don't believe they will all be wading through the various threads for updates.

As I've said, I managed to contact all 200 odd of the people that completed my own user poll and it only took me a few hours so surely between us we could target 1400 or so before the crowdfunding exercise comes to an end.

Come on guys let's do this!
19 months ago.
John Lawrence
John Lawrence
I have read some of the comments above regarding refunds which amount to pay up or shut up, I can't remain a member of a club that does not keep promises made at the start of the exercise. Promises were made about refunds but seems they are going to take the money and run, Ipernity SA are making money out of the goodwill of members, and yes it does appear to be unethical.
I respect that the IMA are doing a wonderful job but the price is not right for me, so I shall be leaving. I will message all my contacts before I go.
Thanks to all
19 months ago.

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