Spotomy

Spotomy

Posted on 07/15/2015


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Last winter I heard a user was banned from ipernity because of her political views, so I decided not to renew my club account. Now that my account is about to expire, I deleted a third of my images to fit the 200 image limit of the free account so that I could at least decide which ones to save. I am sorry to lose your comments.

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38 comments - The latest ones
Wierd Folkersma
Wierd Folkersma
not noticed anything like that yet, strong image
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to Wierd Folkersma
I'm talking about Yuma de Lamour, who was banned three times last winter before she gave up. Third time was because she uploaded an image with a black rectangle photoshopped underneath the nose of Mr. Netanjahu of Israel. Yuma was certainly no nazi, she was as far from it as anyone can be, but she strongly disapproved Israel actions in Gaza and West Bank. I was left with the impression that ipernity, or the sponsors of ipernity did not agree with her on that particular issue. :-)
2 years ago.
Nylonbleu
Nylonbleu
I can understand your meaning, but be careful that you only got one side on this story. I think bad attacks against people have never been accepted on Ipernity. It was easy to turn things in order to look like a poor little lamb. No one is all white or all black.
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to Nylonbleu
Yes, I noticed you quarreled with her a lot. :-) Yuma was certainly no lamb, and she could turn sour on anyone not agreeing with her, including me, but that didn't bother me. She also used her own images as a bait for her causes – and she had quite a few of them, too! – but if I'd have to choose between someone showing her goodies for the her own narsistic pleasure, or someone doing it to promote animals' rights – or indeed rights for anyone who are not in the postition to argue – I'd happily choose the latter.
2 years ago.
Nylonbleu has replied to Spotomy
I read someone saying that she is not a real person, only a fake playing a role... and I'm not far from thinking it too ...... this person who it was, was an enormous narcisist who does not accept that someone could think differently as he/she does.... her way to attack people got something of a pathological desease for me. I experienced it, and honnestly, this person is not one that miss me here.....
But of course, I always appreciate when people fight for their ideas....and I totaly respect your desire to react against some Ipernity political statement that could have been forced on you.
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to Nylonbleu
Oh, she is a real person all right, and a very sweet one at that! Without getting into gossiping I'd say she is a very well informed cosmopolitan, who knows by both her own experience and studies the things she writes about. I always thought I was well aware of the ways of the world, but she outwits me by any meter, and I admit it – even though we don't agree on all issues. She is very funny, very smart and like many former wunderkinds she may be quite impatient with people who she thinks don't get her point, and it doesn't help any that she doesn't care about how other people see her, she only cares about the issue at hand. Even though this is a cliché, I really think the world would be a lot better place if there were more people like her – and that is one of the reasons I feel bad about her getting banned. Yes, you are right, she didn't help herself much. :-) Needless to say I do miss her.
2 years ago. Edited 2 years ago.
Nylonbleu has replied to Spotomy
You are a very tolerant man, I admire you for that !
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to Nylonbleu
Thank you, Isabelle, but I don't consider myself particularly tolerant. People have different opinions on things because of their backgrounds and their temperament and personality even if they have the same facts. But if someone disagrees with me on something and presents better arguments than I have, I will readily change my opinion.

I may not get offended easily, though, but that I guess has more to do with Scandinavian climate than me. :-)
2 years ago.
Nylonbleu has replied to Spotomy
OF, course, our backgrounds make us who we are..... i'm french and there is always a part of feelings dealing with what I think... I'm not cartesian ;o))) I imagine people from the north and cold places on earth tend to be more patient and rational than us, who are mediteraneans.
2 years ago. Edited 2 years ago.
Katja
Katja
agree....
2 years ago.
Sami Serola
Sami Serola
Hmm.... I wonder where goes the line between appropriate (not yet political) and inappropriate (political)... Personally anything political just don't interest me. Although, almost anything may look like political.
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to Sami Serola
Indeed, even the word politics is a vague notion now burdened mainly with dirty associations. Humane, high-brow administration of common matters is not the first thing that comes to mind. And yet the world is not finished and it never will, so people who are ready to work for the common good will always be needed.

Lately I've studied the beginning of 1900th century in Finland, and one of the most interesting undertows in it is the men and women who put together most of the society that we know today. It doesn't easily come to mind nowadays that the world has not always been like this – that some people actually designed it – and many of them lost their lives in doing it.
2 years ago. Edited 2 years ago.
John Linton
John Linton
I too miss Yuma...I too only have the free membership...I too limit my photos to no more than 200...
2 years ago.
Leonora
Leonora
Did you miss this, Spo? ( a 3 month old article already ..):

www.ipernity.com/doc/300373/37473492

Good luck with your decisions ! :)
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to Leonora
Thank you Leonora, and thanks for the link, too. I indeed missed it. Rhis always rocks.
2 years ago.
Rambonp
Rambonp
Love n regards !
2 years ago.
Jean Louis Mazieres
Jean Louis Mazieres
OK vu. A surveiller. Cela ne m'étonne pas. Le monde dans lequel nous vivons est de plus en plus férocement censuré. La liberté de pensée est un leurre absolu dès qu'il s'agit d'exprimer une idée qui s'écarte de l'idéologie correcte. Malheureusement la majorité des Occidentaux ne s'en aperçoivent pas.

Ok seen. To watch. This does not surprise me. The world in which we live is increasingly fiercely censored. Freedom of thought is an absolute illusion when it comes to expressing an idea that deviates from the correct ideology. Unfortunately most Westerners do not perceive.
2 years ago. Edited 2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to Jean Louis Mazieres
I totally agree with you, Jean Louis.
2 years ago.
dolores666
dolores666
Mmmmmm..... I think I feel a "Dearly Decamped" wee memorial coming up. My fingers itch...My brain boils...My teeth grow...
I, too, miss Ms YumYum, even if she could, on ocassion, get on my tits. But I miss her (indeed!) extremely well informed opinions, her courage and her love of life, her love. She was a breath of fresh air amongst so much brain-deadness and "perfect sunsets".
Happy, Clappy, Cheerful and, above all, SAFE. That seems to be the Ippy way.
Oh dear...
I, personally, never intended to go Club. The Yuma Affair put the final nail in that coffin. As soon as I reach my 200...it'll be weeding time. It's good to weed. :-)
Well done, Dr Spot!
PS. Of all the feeble arguments, the one that hints at Ip.'s unsuitability as "political forum" takes the biscuit! I repeat my question: What would the great Capas and Rodchenkos would heve been without their politics? And what would they make of such statements? Can anybody else hear their massive cosmic laughter? :-)
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to dolores666
Even though the simile is not ok for all concerned – which makes is so good! :), the banning sounds to me like the case of Swedish high jumper Emma Green-Tregaro, who was forced to remove her rainbow nail polish in Moscow world championships.

While I personally understand people who want to keep sports and politics separate, it is impossible to do the same with photography, painting or indeed any form or art.
2 years ago.
dolores666
dolores666
PPS. I'll drop our Natasha a line about this, I think. I'm sure she'll appreciate the thought.
PPPS. Yuma was not the only one, by the way. Our Yaz also fell foul of the Iperatchicks for daring express unorthodox thoughts about the flipping Charlie Article of Faith. His account was summarily cancelled, no explanation given. Sigh...
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to dolores666
Yes, I've heard there have been others. And then people who have mentioned clashes with the site in the forums and then silently disappeared. Most of them have probably just quit though, and then found a more suitable site for their photos.
2 years ago.
Risa Profana
Risa Profana
Well done Spotomy!
I must say I was tempted to do the same and not renewing the club account, that was due on those days of the charlie affair, here. But I was so busy with things outside ipernity and internet, that got only bits of it from Dolores and Yuma, and had almost no time to check if I had to weed and what, well, hell... I renewed, but I will not renew again.
And it is true, Dolores, weeding is good and necessary.
Additionally I was one of those flickr exiles, had to begin everything anew here and when I think to do the whole move again ugh... it beats me. Not renewing, is really the best decision, darn! :(
2 years ago.
Spotomy has replied to Risa Profana
One way to weed would be to change the order of images by changing their publication dates. It is a tedious way and the somewhat buggy interface for date edit doesn't help any, but at least one can keep the photos and their precious comments intact in the database that way.

Yes, I'm an flickr exile as well, and the idea of overhauling everything once again doesn't intrigue me the least. It looks though like flickr was slowly taking their notorious redesign back bit by bit; the latest was that their pro account was revived a little while ago.
2 years ago.
John Linton
John Linton
I do the same thing. I never keep more than 200 photos and will not pay for a club account. Rock on...
2 years ago.
dolores666
dolores666
"They"'ve done it again. To Yaz. Again!
2 years ago.
forever is a long time
forever is a long ti…
sorry to hear that.
22 months ago.
Jean-Pierre Leclercq
Jean-Pierre Leclercq
« Last winter I heard a user was banned from ipernity because of her political views »...

You heard...

Wich political view ?

The censure is on Flickr. Not here normally.

I don't work for Ipernity...
21 months ago. Edited 21 months ago.
Spotomy has replied to Jean-Pierre Leclercq
I heard because the banned user told me. She was banned three times for criticizing Israel occupation of Gaza and West Bank. She came back twice with a slighltly different name, but not after the third banning, which was just because she published a photo, where she had added a black square (◼︎) under Mr. Netanjahu's nose.

I've never heard that Flickr had banned people, but of course it is possible if one uploaded material which most of the people find offensive. I'm quite sure most of them don't find ◼︎ that way. :)
21 months ago. Edited 21 months ago.
Pierre VDM
Pierre VDM
This person was a pro Hezbollah, was praising Vladimir Putin as the best politician ever and whenever you said your opinion (and this opinion was against hers), she would tell you how stupid and manipulated you were by news and medias who work for the government, herself being completely dogmatic and therefore manipulated. She often came here to argue with people without big reasons. Using comments to hurt people who wanted to show some solidarity with Charlie Hebdo, telling that it was no surprise and almost wish for more deads (she got them, and I almost can imagine her happy on the 13th of November). Since she was banned from Ipernity, she also found another ennemy: France! Since Ipernity is a bit french and has banned her, so France is stupid and must be fought. You can see the limit of such a person and her reflections.
She was doing now the same on Flickr. They didn't get kicked her, maybe because a part of her pictures showed her half nudity. I guess her great "art" as she called it (the hitler moustache on Netanjahu and other cheap partisan footage) didn't bring much success so she got another banal idea that always works on the internet, cheap erotic. Now she took all the politics and nudes away. Who knows why?
And yes, flickr banned people for less than this, that is, telling them your opinion.
So it is fine that you show your solidarity, but to me, you show it to a person that didn't understand the purpose of this photo site: that is to share pictures (with meaning), and not go on harassing people who haven't the same opinion than yours. You can have your opinion and show it through your pictures, as she did. No problem with this. Her attitude was rather wrong here. There are forums for this.
But anyway, that s past now. Who cares about her!? Well, you and a few still do. Funny that she took a French surname "de Lamour" while she was more the embodiment of intolerance
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Spotomy has replied to Pierre VDM
She certailnly wasn't pro Hezbollah, she was pro solidarity and just thought that what Israel is doing on the West Bank is wrong. She did like Mr. Putin – which I found funny – but that was probably because she thought USA has used Russia as a scapegoat for USA's own purposes for too many times during the past 100 years, and her sympathies were always with the week. (Sure: my country has a long history with Russia so we know Russia cannot always be trusted, but we also know that the pressure USA has put for decades first on USSR and then on Russia is uncalled-for and dangerous.)

I saw her more like a journalist who, after reading and seeing things that the majority of us never do, or come to think of, had understood the ways of the world and wanted to share this view with us so that we would open our eyes and be "saved". She consciously used her photos to lure people at her cause and she openly admitted it, I don't think she took her work as great art, just simply as useful baits.

For what I knew she had read her books; she was very bright, clever – and utterly sweet; funny and full of joy. She could be very outspoken if needed, but for what I saw there was always someone else – irritated by her views – starting the personal attacks, she just responded the same way. Even though there were issues I didn't agree with her, she never scowled me for my views.

Her attitude towards France I'm not familiar with, but I do know Paris attacks killed a lot less people than have died in Palestine over the years, and motives for both are equally good or bad. I don't hail for terrorism more that I do hail for superpowers interfering with smaller countries, but we must understand that this interfering by us causes their terrorism, not the other way around. There are no "bad" people – like George W. Bush used to put it – who blow themselves up for fun, but frustrated, cornered people who have nowhere to go and no future for them because of what we, the great people of the west, have done to them.

I haven't followed her on Flickr, but if she has removed her "artsy" stuff, I suspect she has personal reasons for doing so, reasons that have nothing to do with politics.
20 months ago.
Pierre VDM
Pierre VDM
Ok you have your opinion, and I have mine, based on some exchanges she had on flickr, calling her collage "art", defending some action of Hezbollah, and calling Putin the only good politician, and based on what I read here too by the time of the Charlie. I wish I could find these places to link them to you but to be honest, I don't think that ll be of any use. I didn't even mean to start arguing about someone I really don't care about in the end.
And yes, she was able to comment normally too. Like you and me.
Good day
20 months ago.
Spotomy has replied to Pierre VDM
Anyway she is not really the issue after all, but the politics. As the incident in Bruxelles this morning shows, the situation is still on. There is a good article about the causes here. The same principle can be expanded without much effort to old colonial powers and Nato countries aiding USA, that is most of Europe.
20 months ago.
Jean-Pierre Leclercq
Jean-Pierre Leclercq
Je confirme que Flickr pratique la censure, ferme les comptes des gens récalcitrants et fonctionne sur une certaine forme de délation. Flickr vous dira évidemment le contraire !!!
Flickr est un site qu'il faudrait fuir mais où les gens restent (exclusivement pour les nombreux commentaires souvent ridicules). Les gens sont prêts à cocher une case marquant leur accord avec des règles qu'ils jugent pourtant indéfendables !!! Flickr, c'est la même situation avec Facebook.
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Spotomy has replied to Jean-Pierre Leclercq
So what is the reason Flickr bans users? Dirty pictures or dirty talk towards other users, political talk or what?
20 months ago.
Jean-Pierre Leclercq
Jean-Pierre Leclercq
The reason ? Les esprit TROP critiques contre le système Flickr... ne sont pas appréciés. Flickr n'aime pas les esprits quelque peu rebelles !
20 months ago. Edited 20 months ago.
Spotomy has replied to Jean-Pierre Leclercq
I'm sorry about my slow understanding, Jean-Pierre, I have to rely on google translator I'm afraid. So does Flickr ban users because of criticism against Flickr system, technical or otherwise, or against our/US political system?
19 months ago.
Sami Serola
Sami Serola
Ipernity Members Association is maybe more liberal on this issue ;-)

Or at least members should now have a possibility to shape the policy.
17 hours ago.