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Ipernity Members Association Project

Time to clean?

Time to clean? 

Some time ago I wrote a blog article about my Observations on ipernity groups. People usually follow their News page only at Ipernity, almost never actually visiting any group pages after joining them, and hardly ever even scrolling the News page down for blog articles or for any other contents. Visits on photos after one week drops down dramatically. They become "yesterday's news".

Moreover, I have several times on several places shared the following thought:

Social media amateur photography is a phenomena totally different than was an amateur photography few decades ago. In the late 1970s for example Susan Sontag saw photography merely as a way to live in the past, an intention to record and preserve everyday life into collections of “jarred” memories.

Today digital photography, and amateur photography on social media is more like a way of living, to experience and share the present. Barely no one is interested on what someone else did last summer, or even last week, unless it is presented today, as a new to them, right now, and right in front of their faces. Only pictures posted today are interesting.


So, do we need to store images on the cloud forever?

Or should we change our behavior and become interested on past?


Anyway, I started to clean up my own albums. Although I have not yet used more than 2/100 GB myself. At least I try to remove all less than adequate images.

Feel free to share your thoughts on this =)

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30 comments - The latest ones
 Rob Stamp
Rob Stamp club
Separate from the days of film, wthin digital photography, the increase in pixel resolution of the camera, has meant larger files, and with higher broadband speeds, uploading them is not as tiresome as it might have been. Not forgetting the ease of making a video, at ever higher resolution. The policy of "upload as much as you want" was caught out by this trend, with income not supporting storage costs, leading ipernity to the brink.
7 months ago.
 Bergfex
Bergfex club
I think this rethinking is also necessary if we are really serious about keeping our planet worth living on and not ruining it.

Every click, every search query, every streamed video or uploaded photo consumes a little bit of power. Individually, that's a small amount. Nothing compared to the electric cooker in the kitchen or the freezer in the basement. A Google search more one will hardly notice on the own electricity bill thus. But from a global point of view it looks quite different. Millions of search queries, pictures and films are sent digitally across the planet every day. This mountain of data is growing daily. Every one to two years the worldwide use of the web and its resources doubles.

So if we make an effort to only upload what is really necessary for the exchange among each other, the individual hardly contributes to reducing energy consumption. But if all ipernity members do, it won't have much effect, but it will have something.

Unlimited storage is very unecological. That must be clear to all of us.
7 months ago.
Nora Caracci club has replied to Bergfex club
un'argomentazione molto interessante !!!
7 months ago.
 Sami Serola
Sami Serola club
Something to consider...

If one uploads several images at once, it seems that only the most recent image gets attention. This probably happens because people indeed checks only their News page and their contacts' latest photos: www.ipernity.com/network/contacts

Suggestion: Upload no more than one picture per day.
7 months ago. Edited 7 months ago.
polytropos club has replied to Sami Serola club
Sami, that's true. People just look at the last photo. This is a circumstance that you could already see at Panoramio. Here at IP it is even more noticeable.

The other thing with the memory space: I have also started uploading smaller images to save storage space. In addition itt's also acertain copy protection. But I can upload even smaller formats. I need to consider this more closely.
7 months ago. Edited 7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to polytropos club
In my opinion 2048 in 80% compression is good enough. I said I sometimes use even 2560, and that is when I plan to do some PicMonkey editing. It is always better to start editing with larger image, in case one has to for example rotate and crop the image.
7 months ago.
polytropos club has replied to Sami Serola club
Here the 'proof' for the theory that only the last picture is visited:
My last pic
my second to last pic
The last picture has significantly more visitors :-)
And it's a "series" of pictures, so you need to watch them all to understand what's going on.
7 months ago. Edited 7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to polytropos club
Suggestion: You could start embedding the image code onto caption. That may mean even less visits on the actual additional image page. But then the additional image becomes seen more likely.

See also my comment to Graham: www.ipernity.com/doc/serola/49498632/comment/59092568#comment59092568
7 months ago.
polytropos club has replied to Sami Serola club
Thanks a lot for the suggestion! But well, as much visits as possible is not my primary intention ;-)
7 months ago.
 Annemarie
Annemarie club
All in all I agree....but if you do not upload pics, what is the sense of photo sharing communities?

Its a sort of exchange of experiences ( experiments also, in some cases........)
I myself post what I see on mt travels, or around me, as a way of making you part of my life ...... and I am very interested on others doing the same..................

Personally my husband and me we have tousends and tousends of pic, slides....and now digital pic stored in terabytes* cloud, etc

pieces of history, for when we will be old and will have more time to "fish" pic from old days........
memories of the future

HUGS ( don't know if this is on theme.......but thats my feeling)
7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Annemarie club
What I personally wish is that people would at least give a thought for this. It is a shame how much there is left not seen because:

1) Not seen if uploaded many shots at once, and only the last upload get attention.

2) All forgotten, because no-one pays attention on group contributions. No point to contribute with old pictures because only group admin(s) notices it.

3) Lack of ways to get attention on older uploads in general. As far as I know, so called domino groups are almost only places where old photos get attention. And that is because it is the way how that game is played (defined game in rules).

Evangrek has discovered somewhat ingenious way to change the uplaod day as new. Although, it may loose it's effect when one republish old images as new updates too often. But again they only become noticed if one has contacts who follows and are interested.

all in all, the message here probably is that it is better to focus on "quality" instead of "quantity". What quality and quantity really are, depends on the point of view, of course ;-)
7 months ago.
Annemarie club has replied to Sami Serola club
ok I understand point 1 and 2.( about point 2, the flickr way of inviting and, when posting, to comment/fave should be a "quasi" must)
Evan just antepones some of his pics in a very simple way..changing the date of the upload...... may be he is short of time or......

all in all, you of course you are right.......
IP is s so small group, and visiting contacts and friends should be a pleasure, of course easier when you have only one upload.......

anyway, send you greetings from a rainy (always rainy in november) Roma
AM
7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Annemarie club
Seems to be the theme of November, also all the time raining and gray up here as well. Although, today it came down as snow.
7 months ago.
 Graham Hughes
Graham Hughes club
I have often thought around these kinds of issues....and try to reflect on my own browsing behaviours here and in other photography spaces.

If I could make it more personal. I have been away from Ipernity for a while, and uploaded some images yesterday....and paid my fees to become Standard.Why did I stop for 6 months? I just got tired of the way social type medias turn you into this person who has to play the lets keep on the treadmill and stay connected game......coz if you arent seen, you cease to exist. That is tiring. In a world where we are all connected, staring at phones whenever we can, sharing our creativity when ever we can....I would argue that we are less connected than ever....while thinking we are moreso.

So we only look at the latest image in our feed....we as people may not be interested enough to look deeper at peoples images. We are all too busy or too self centered to look more.

I am part of this community because its nice to share what you are passionate about.......the odd person will get you and what you do...and you may find others who are similar.

But the truth is there are many who won't get you and flick over images with no comment or response............and there are times when you think wtf.

In the essence of it all those who reflect genuinely on images of others are few. In your own photographic journey seriously looking at the images of others impacts our own growth.

BUT in the days we live in on earth and our mindsets....maybe our looking isnt the kind that has us really looking as observers and thinkers..............as we do with books. Maybe (and I am guilty of this at times) its all about me......I post images then leave. Theres a lot of time invested in editing and preparing them, posting info and all that.

What is my point? Well maybe aside from the save the planet, conserve energy and resources aspects of what you are say Sami, maybe what we need to consider is changing our perhaps narrow posting and observing patterns....maybe it us developing inquiring and interested minds so all those uploads arent wasted space.

One of the things that set Ipernity apart for me is the ability to write articles....and I have written some of those that I consider ok. BUT as you say....no one looks, no one reads........that old enemy time...and the inherent narcissism of the age.

At least I understand now why an upload of 9 images of equal quality finds only one getting the hits. In rushing by we feel bound to like something to maintain the connection perhaps..........or obviously there is nothing of any merrit there.

Too many thoughts........I dont think I could cull any from my stach....coz I only upload after much thought......I will continue to think on this. My albums are a record of my growth and development, my blue periods, my passages of rite. For some posting will just be their putting their hands up to existence.......and sharing what and how they see. All reasons are valid. I just dont think as humans anymore we are that interested in the work of others.......and we live in an image saturated world.......good images become ho hum. Maybe the call is to be critical of what we post
and know why...as opposed to just coz we can.
Thanks for the discussion.

graham
7 months ago. Edited 7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Graham Hughes club
Nice to see you around again, Graham.

In my opinion that comment of your's would deserve become posted as an "article" of it's own, on your pages. Those same issues I have been thinking about for years.

I have tried to at least view and fave a little "deeper", not only the last photo on uploads, and actually visit group pages and blog articles. My time to write comments is limited, but that is of course a lame excuse.

What I have thought lately is that if and when ever get reprogramming done, we should combine photos and blog articles. In short it means the formatting tools to edit photo caption should be provided. And maybe even allow posting story only, which then would become displayed within photo thread with some symbol. This approach is applied for example at YouPic photo service.

My point is this. One could still post multiple uploads at once, but then make a nice complete representation on the last upload, like an illustrated blog article. It would be better than PiP (picture in picture notes). On the new ipernity FAQ we have used that approach:

www.ipernity.com/doc/2319670/48304088

By providing formatting tools for photo caption, that would make it much easier to edit captions, font styles, adding links and even images.
7 months ago. Edited 7 months ago.
 Jocelyne Villoing
Jocelyne Villoing club
Bonnes réflexions et bonnes résolutions, merci beaucoup.
7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Jocelyne Villoing club
Thank you for visiting, Jocelyne =)
7 months ago.
 Nora Caracci
Nora Caracci club
Condivido molto di quello che dici.
Personalmente non sono qui per depositare i miei lavori come in un magazzino, ma per rendere pubblico ciò che produco poiché amo la fotografia e mi piace condividere le mie impressioni fotografiche con altri fotografi, ammirare il lavoro altrui e imparare dagli altri.
Certo non è il caso di conservare foto di poca qualità, a meno che non abbiano un valore sentimentale, a volte mi capita di rivederle e sorriderne ;-)
Quanto alla lettura degli articoli degli amici, purtroppo non sempre ne ho tempo :(
Ma quando ci riesco lo trovo molto interessante !
Grazie per questa occasione di dibattito
7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Nora Caracci club
Merci, Nora =)

I reply in English. So, you can at least see what I meant if translation goes wrong. It is of course also a good idea to keep some old photos. Several times I have discovered my old photos much better than I originally thought. Besides, some images can be "recycled" by making a new version on PicMonkey.
7 months ago.
Nora Caracci club has replied to Sami Serola club
I never tried PicMonkey, I'll do one of these days !
Have a lovely weekend !
7 months ago.
 fifi
fifi club
Oui mon sentiment aussi.
7 months ago.
 Peter_Private_Box
Peter_Private_Box club
Hi Sami

It is certainly worth keeping old photos. They are a memory of the past, of people who may not now be with us.
Get rid of the rubbish, yes, the experiments, the imperfect, but why not keep old memories?

Best Wishes, and a good weekend
Peter
7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Peter_Private_Box club
Well, the problem is to find the balance =D

Subjective taste may change in time. What looks rubbish today, may turn out valuable in the future. And then I also have other "clouds" like DropBox and Google Photos.

And then I of course keep the very original images on hard drive. However, I hardly ever go through those old photos on the computer. Whereas I do (re)view my photos at ipernity quite often.
7 months ago.
 Christa1004
Christa1004 club
This is an interesting contribution. I was always amazed by Ipernity's generosity towards its members: 100 GB of storage space for each club account. I imagine the terabytes that represent all the accounts!!! (Without mentioning the high storage fees that they cause).

Wouldn't it be more judicious if the size of each uploaded photo is limited? I have seen several times almost the same picture in different galleries, posted in triple or quadruple version with 12MB each... I think that's really not necessary!! You can show great photos, perfect for our photo sharing community, in a MUCH lower size.

Just for exemple, I uploaded 791 photos = 400 MB. I've scaled each photo to 1125x1500 px, which gives a good result. If you take a look in my gallery, I would say that the quality is there despite the smaller size! And last but not least: in doing so, just try to imagine the costs that can be saved...
7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Christa1004 club
Probably I should also consider even smaller size uploaded to ipernity. 2048 pixels is hardly never needed on any "normal" screen. Only on some rare cases it is maybe nice to let my friends to view the "full size" image to see some tiny details.
7 months ago. Edited 7 months ago.
 Berny
Berny club
Some thoughts concerning image size and storage: It's absolutely not necessary to upload a photo larger than approximately a usual monitor resolution, thats why I use a max. height of 1080 for landscape format. This results in an image size of 1 to 2 MB. But otherwise it's not meaningful to upload a high quality photo with a lot of informations in a much smaller size.

As I read above, one should almost have a bad conscience uploading too many images. I don't agree, or only partly. The ecological effect is really neglectable. On the one hand upload and storage is much less consuming energy than ordinary traffic browsing all the galleries. On the other hand the storage of photos is neglectable compared to videos and third, Ipernity is such a small site compared to others, that the effect of saving uploads is not noticable. Yes, storage costs money, rather that's the point which is important for the site operator. But, to be realistic, if I offer such a site for the photo community, it's the immanent purpose, to upload photos. Either there is a strict limit in the number of uploads or size of storage used or size for a single image, which would probably result in a descrease of members, or not. To appeal to the members conscience is like to set a speed limit on the highway of 130 km/h and then tell the people, they should drive only 100 because of ecological reasons. It will not work.

Ipernity and other similar sites should certainly not be used as simple storage for all photos of a member. Only photos should be uploaded, which should be shared. I don't know how to avoid such behavior, but this issue is much more important than appealing to members, who want to share their impressions of this world with others, to save space.
7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Berny club
If you mean Berhard's point of view, I also agree that anyone of us should not start having a bad conscience about number of photos uploaded.

What comes to my claims that images after the very last on the new uploads often becomes ignored, does not seem to apply on you, Berny. I am even happy to see that your photos pick up a lot of views, faves and comments, no matter how may shots you upload at once. Supposedly it has something to do with your subjects and your style as an artist. So, I would say that you don't need to worry about not getting visits.

And what comes to your subjects especially, I personally hope that you do have even wider audience out there. Showing the abandoned buildings may increase awareness about ecological and environmental issues in general. They are not only photogenic. They are also an environmental hazard.
7 months ago.
 Sami Serola
Sami Serola club
Everyone, I personally do hope this discussion help you to find some solutions and ideas to optimize the way how you use this space available at ipernity. That is all =)

Personally I now learned that my way to upload 2048 pixel wide images is more or less a waste of space. Even less is enough. Then at least on my case it is rather pointless to upload more than one shot per day. All too often the second and third image after the last upload become seen only by very few. So, I should at least consider showing any extras on the caption of the last upload, if they somehow may provide some additional information.

And as I have done so far, I focus only on groups where I do trust getting the images viewed. Being active on groups with very little real involvement by the members is at least waste of time.
7 months ago. Edited 7 months ago.
 Sylvain Wiart
Sylvain Wiart club
if we don't need to store more than 200 mo, a free account is enough, but what happens to Ipernity ?
That is the question.
7 months ago.
Sami Serola club has replied to Sylvain Wiart club
Good point! I have actually considered if Basic account would be enough for me.

Although, then I would get all the other nice features like PicMonkey, notes etc.
7 months ago.

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