Phil Sutters

Phil Sutters

Posted on 08/19/2013


Photo taken on August 10, 2011


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GNSR class Q 4-4-0 no.77 - LNER class D38 no.6977 - post-grouping

GNSR class Q  4-4-0 no.77 - LNER class D38 no.6977  - post-grouping
In my haste to flee Flickr, I lost the information about the location of this scene, supplied by a Flickr contact, although it must be easily identifiable by those who know northern railways!
This photograph comes from a collection of postcard-style prints, collected by W.Beckerlegge and acquired by my father. There are two main sources of these commercial photos, produced around the 1923 grouping, W.H.Whitworth (WHW) and the Locomotive Publishing Company (LPC). This one however has a trademark horseshoe with T.I.C. inside it. The photographers have not been credited on the prints, so cannot be recorded here.

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Tractacus
Tractacus
I'm sure I've seen this photo elsewhere, or one from a similar viewpoint; I stand to be corrected, but I think this is Aberdeen.
3 years ago.
Phil Sutters has replied to Tractacus
It is a commercially published photo so you may well have seen it before. It was also on my Flickr pages in the past. Aberdeen would make sense. There can't be many large stations in the GNSR area. I think I have seen a coloured postcard of a similar view.
3 years ago. Edited 3 years ago.
Steve Banks
Steve Banks
One of my favourite pictures although I would date it a few years later, between 1925-30, on the grounds that liveries changed slowly and this one came in after '23.

Key question, Phil, can you identify the two horse boxes?
3 years ago. Edited 3 years ago.
Phil Sutters has replied to Steve Banks
You may well be right about the date, There is nothing on the postcard to help. As far as the horseboxes are concerned, the best I can come up with are LDECR ones, as on Tatlow vol 3's Page 80. The lack of roof vents is significant, as is the sliding hatch on the horses' upper door panel, nearest to the groom's compartment. Although this narrow angled view makes it difficult to be sure, the general layout and design appear very close. Tatlow does point out that they were very similar to some of the very numerous GER ones.
3 years ago. Edited 3 years ago.
Steve Banks has replied to Phil Sutters
Cheers, Phil,
You're right. I have a hard print, and Tatlow, but had previously let it lie in the file along with several others awaiting examination. With a magnifyig glass, it is unquestionably an early GER design, indeed I can read part of the first one's running number (159x) and that tallies too.

On the back of my print it says "Deeside train" and "leaving Aberdeen", which would tally.

There used to be a racecourse at Aberdeen, closed in 1876 and by the time of the photo, Newmarket had been equipped (by the GER) with more modern and larger horse boxes anyway. This would have been some other kind of traffic.
3 years ago. Edited 3 years ago.