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the carpet crawler (we've got to get in to get out)

the carpet crawler (we've got to get in to get out)
ipernity version
alternative title: neither.in.nor.out

original version on www.taonarts.com (part of the front gif) or (single): www.taonarts.com/nudes-2

so, dear friends, contacts and visitors, the overtake of iper by ima comes closer, means: a lot of things will change... a lot of things have changed already, many members have left the platform and searched/found a new home in other communities. others reduced their activities or stopped them completely and some last survivors are still here and try to keep the platform alive by their tireless activities. my biggest respect for the people from ima ! to have cr as a negotiation partner invites more to run away than to continue, i guess... and to spend so much time and energy for this project is no matter of course!

but when the overtake is realized, only the first part of all is done, nobody can say whether iper in its new form will be able to survive. i said it here, i said it there: without free accounts i don't see any chance for iper to attract enough people who are motivated to become paying members. i'm afraid that iper will turn into a community of people with an income of western standard only, others will see the fees and have a look for cheaper options. i have my doubts that this is the way to get enough club members to let the platform survive. how many crowdfundings will be necessary ? how many members will donate next time ? and overnext ? to base all hopes on a closure of flickr and that the members from there will be the rescue for ipernity – how realistic is that ?

i'm on this platform since more than 9 years, i began my artistical carreer here and i'll be sad if ima will close my account, because i won't pay 50 usd/year and don't want to be a member of an elitist community, but obviously this will be the way of the new iper.
if all continues as proclaimed, iper will have one artist less... not everyone will be sad about that, for all others who want see my works also in the future: www.taonarts.com, you're invited to have a look and/or leave a comment ! ;-) if you want to tell me some words more - my mail adress you find on the right side of my frontpage there...
whether i'll be active again on other communities i haven't decided yet, at least i have accounts on flickr, fotocommunity, hq23 and 500px., but at the moment they're sleeping... and maybe there's still a chance that iper will offer a cheaper membership than 50 usd/year... ;-)

we'll see...

not to forget: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yUN6CsuVPw

have fun, be creative, take care !

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86 comments - The latest ones
 Erika Akire
Erika Akire club
...freut mich dich hier wieder zu sehen und dann noch mit dem gradiosen Einstieg. Ja, uns gibt's hier noch. So schnell gibt man nicht auf, genauso wie im realen Leben.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Erika Akire club
dass es iper und seine mitglieder noch gibt, habe ich schon mitbekommen... ;-)
die diskussionen und die entwicklungen, die stattgefunden haben, habe ich aufmerksam verfolgt.
lieben dank, erika !
6 years ago.
 Sami Serola (inactive)
Sami Serola (inactiv… club
I wish you all the best, Rob! =)

Indeed we'll see how things go from here. The price tag is unfortunately rather unavoidable. If that drives people away, it is a pity.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
if there would be a membership for less money and also less opportunities, it would be ok for me ! people won't be discouraged only, my friend, they will be actively smashed out (old members) if they don't pay !
many thanks, sami !
6 years ago.
 cammino
cammino club
... wenn du gehen solltest, dann werde ich deine Werke sehr vermissen!!!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to cammino club
sollten sie hier nicht mehr zu sehen sein, findest du sie auf meiner website (www.taonarts.com), dort kannst du anschauen, auch kommentieren und sogar follower werden, wenn du neuigkeiten nicht verpassen willst ! ;-)
herzlichen dank, cammino !
6 years ago.
 Valfal
Valfal
Another fine work of art, Rob! I have missed see you and your marvelous creations!

I do hope you will consider staying with us, despite the initial cost. If it makes any difference, the cost in Euros will be equivalent to $50 USD, not cost 50 Euros. There is also a six-month option for whatever the conversion rate of $27.50 USD is. This I can handle, and I hope anyone else who loves ipernity will not consider this too much of a sacrifice to get such a unique photo sharing site off the ground. If all members who love ipernity can do this, then next year we could see a drop in our costs and maybe even can offer free accounts with limited benefits again.

Remember, ipernity is US and WE are ipernity. The members of IMA who have worked so hard to preserve ipernity have sacrificed more than money; they sacrificed time, a much more valuable commodity. They would not do this if they didn't believe ipernity was worth it all. I hope we all remember this when it comes time to open the purse strings to renew our club memberships. ;-)
6 years ago.
Gabi Lombardo club has replied to Valfal
well said, Valfal, I agree!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Valfal
usd, not €, of course ! sorry, my mistake ! i corrected it... ;-)

you know, dear valerie, i really loved this site in the past, then many bad (imho) changes happened, iper switched from a really original site into a mainstream platform (thank you, cr !) and lost its origin personality. it still offers more opportunities than any other site in the net, but to pay 50 usd for that ? my website costs me the half, other communities offer less, but they're for free. i told cr more than just one time that i'm still here because of the people and not because of the iper team which ruined the site piece by piece...

i honestly see no future for iper without free accounts, at the same time i know that generating money has first priority at the moment... another point: a new management will be elected by the club members, but what if thee are persons in this new management i don't agree with ? do i get my money back if i want to close my account because of that reason ?

so, my account will be closed and my gallery, develloped in more than 9 years, will be erased... i don't think that i would begin from zero again if i would like the new iper...

as i said it above: my biggest respect for ima ! their activities deserve highest regard !

many thanks, dear valerie !
6 years ago.
 Gabi Lombardo
Gabi Lombardo club
terrific work!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Gabi Lombardo club
thank you very much, gabi !
6 years ago.
 mARTin Piché
mARTin Piché
Magnifique Taon
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to mARTin Piché
merci, martin !
6 years ago.
 Helena Ferreira
Helena Ferreira
Stunning photography!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Helena Ferreira
thanks a lot, helena !
6 years ago.
 Armando Taborda
Armando Taborda club
Well, you are swimming on dry, indeed, Robert The photo edition is another masterpiece of yours.

Your footnote let me rethink upon my continuation in Ipernity.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Armando Taborda club
i'm also still thinking, dear armando, but until now i'm coming always to the same result...
many thanks, my friend !
6 years ago.
 My Awake Gottica (m.a.g)
My Awake Gottica (m.…
Very emotional & Stunnign Artwork my friend !!!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to My Awake Gottica (m.…
multumesc, dear m !
6 years ago.
 Au Cœur... diagonalhorizon
Au Cœur... diagonalh… club
wow

music which is Music

Thanks so much
and for your text....
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Au Cœur... diagonalh… club
this kind of music is really art, in my eyes and ears ! ;-)
many thanks, eadda !
6 years ago.
 Typo93
Typo93 club
Heureux de te revoir ici !

50 $ (et non 50 €) pour avoir la possibilité de diffuser ses photos et d'échanger sur des sujets légers ou sérieux mais toujours d'une façon conviviale, est-ce trop cher ou non ?
C'est évident que ça peut l'être pour certains, même si ça ne fait que 3,50 € par mois et même si ces personnes sont possesseurs d'un APN ou d'un smartphone, d'un ordinateur et d'un abonnement internet, ce qui est déjà une façon de faire partie d'une "élite" pour moi...
Je vais plus loin et faire un peu de provoc : peut-être que le fait de payer un abonnement non négligeable va décourager ceux qui postent des photos sans aucun intérêt, ni artistique, ni documentaire. Ils sont nombreux et c'est eux qui "encombrent" le site !
Reste ceux, effectivement, qui n'ont pas le $, l'€ ou la £ comme monnaie. Peut-être qu'un prélèvement mensuel pouvant être interrompu à volonté serait souhaitable pour eux, mais est-ce possible ?

Tout a un coût, malheureusement, je crois pas aux sites soit-disant gratuits. Nous sommes dans un monde où le profit le fait tourner (et je suis le premier à le déplorer !). Ne soyons pas naïfs, quand quelque chose est gratuit sur internet, c'est que nous sommes des "cibles" potentielles, ne serait-ce que par la publicité. Qui n'a pas dû subir des pubs de 30 secondes avant de voir la vidéo désirée, que ce soit dans les actualités ou sur youtube ?

J'ai des amis qui ont quitté Ipernity et ils ne veulent pas payer cette somme pour ce qui est, pour eux, qu'un simple divertissement (alors qu'ils en ont largement des moyens). Je veux bien mais faut-il rappeler que rares sont les divertissements gratuits à part jouer à la pétanque sur la place du village ou au ballon sur la plage ?
Moi je suis partant pour payer 12 centimes par jour.
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Typo93 club
il y a beaucoup des sites gratuits ! je voudrais payer de l'argent, mais 50 usd sont trops !
merci beaucoup, typo !
6 years ago.
 William Sutherland
William Sutherland club
Phenomenal work!

Admired in:
www.ipernity.com/group/tolerance
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to William Sutherland club
thanks a lot, william !
6 years ago.
 Tanja - Loughcrew
Tanja - Loughcrew club
Auch ich freue mich, Dich so fulminant wieder zu entdecken!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Tanja - Loughcrew club
ich freu mich, dass du dich freust, tanja, lieben dank !
6 years ago.
 Annemarie
Annemarie club
wonderful image!

Lets see what happens in future!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Annemarie club
i'm a patient boy, so i have a look without any inner stress, just thoughts...;-)
thank you very much, dear annamaria !
6 years ago.
 Valeriane ♫ ♫ ♫¨*
Valeriane ♫ ♫ ♫¨* club
merci Roby ! j'espère comme toi mais je ne pourrais faire un autre don car dans la vie il y a des priorités et hélas nos retraites ne sont pas extensibles ! Mais j'ai tes coordonnées ! belle continuation mon ami et mille bises♫
ta créa est comme toujours splendide !**************************
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Valeriane ♫ ♫ ♫¨* club
tu sais ou te me peux rencontre ! :-)
mille mercis, chère amie !
6 years ago.
 Heidiho
Heidiho club
Robert, ich kenne Deinen Standpunkt. Und Du weißt: ich sehe das etwas anders.
Keiner von uns hier will IP als "elitären Klub".
Ob und WIE es gelingt, die Plattform künftig in vernünftige Bahnen zu lenken, wird sich zeigen.
Zunächst gilt jedoch: soviel wie möglich Mitgliedsbeiträge (und weitere Spenden) beizubringen, um die monatlichen fixen Kosten decken zu können.
Auch ich halte "Free accounts" in bestimmtem Rahmen für erforderlich .
Dennoch: um Free Accounts anbieten zu können, bedarf es erst einmal einer funktionierenden Plattform. Ohne IP - keine Free Accounts.
Oder: KEINE ARME - KEINE KEKSE !

.... btw: ich freu mich, daß Du wieder was hier zeigst.
.... 9 Jahre .t.a.o.n. bei IP - keiner kann wollen, daß diese einmaligen Kreationen im Nirwana verschwinden.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Heidiho club
keine kekse, keine arme vonnöten ! ;-)
ich denke nachwievor, dass iper mit diesem konzept nicht überlebensfähig sein wird, und wenn, dann nur mit weiteren spendenaktionen, an denen jedoch weniger und weniger leute teilnehmen werden... wie viele haben denn letztes mal gespendet ? gerade mal die hälfte derer, die zugesagt hatten !
warten wir ab, wie viele zahlende mitglieder es sein werden nach der avisierten grundreinigung...

meine kreationen würden nur von hier verschwinden - auf meiner website sind sie jederzeit vorhanden ! ;-)

herzlichen dank, liebe heidi ! grüße an r., ich drück die daumen !
6 years ago.
 ╰☆☆June☆☆╮
╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club
Beautiful creation Rob
.I will sure miss your creativity if you leave
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to ╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club
the net isn't iper only, dear june ! www.taonarts.com ;-)
many thanks, my friend !
6 years ago.
 ROL/Photo
ROL/Photo club
Ohh quel beau travail ,...tu 'es un artiste
j'aime beaucoup...
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to ROL/Photo club
merci beaucoup, roland !
6 years ago.
 Heide
Heide club
Eine tolle Arbeit mit feiner Textur.
Schön, dass du wieder hier bist.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Heide club
mal sehen, wie lange ich noch hier sein darf... 8-)
lieben dank, heidemarie !
6 years ago.
 HelenaPF
HelenaPF club
Oh! mon Robert, que je suis heureuse de voir une nouvelle création! Je t'espère compètement rétabli! Je te fais d'énormes bisous pleins de soleil pour fêter cela!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to HelenaPF club
tu es un tresor, mon amie, mille mercis ! bisous
6 years ago.
 Belleuse
Belleuse
Great creation, my dear Rob! I always admire your very own ability to express your personal message in a beautiful artistic form!
I have the same doubts as you have, dear : For many artists who constantly invest in their entire workplace, there are too many costs in this world. And the possibility of getting those costs back by selling the work is always a thing without any guarantee. I also love Ipernity, and people here, but we must individually consider whether our cost of living here is proportional to our other annual or semi-annual expenditures. I preferred the Ipernity as an international egalitarian place. Even using only the Internet every month ( for PC , for phone ) for some people is still not very cheap.
However - i'm happy to see you again here !:-)
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Belleuse
and i am happy to meet you here, too ! ;-)

during the last years i had a lot of discussions with artists about the relation between iper and arts... the old team had no feeling for artistical things, maybe the new one will have ? however, with the concept they want to follow there won't be many artists left, i guess...

dziekuje bardzo, droga belleusieczka ! ;-)
6 years ago.
 .t.a.o.n.
.t.a.o.n.
and many thanks for all quiet stars and invitations !
6 years ago.
 ╰☆☆June☆☆╮
╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club
Thank you for sharing your exceptional creation with us,
here in ✴ Digital Dreams ✴
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to ╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club
a pleasure, dear june ! thanks for invitation !
6 years ago.
 Jadviga Grase
Jadviga Grase club
Very emotional image....wonderful work!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Jadviga Grase club
many thanks, jadviga !
6 years ago.
 Sylvie Coeffic
Sylvie Coeffic
Fine work ! take care ! :-)
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Sylvie Coeffic
i try my best, hope, you'll do the same ! merci beaucoup, sylvie !
6 years ago.
 Eefje
Eefje
Ich bin auch seit lange Zeit mal wieder da und habe mir noch nicht entscheiden, trotzdem...eine große Fan von deine Arbeit will ich immer sein:-)
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Eefje
du kannst follower meiner website werden (www.taonarts.com) ! ;-)
zur zeit denke ich über "account sharing" nach, d.h., mehrere leute teilen sich einen clubaccount... lieben dank, eefje !
6 years ago.
 Amba Lee
Amba Lee
Wonderful art work
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Amba Lee
thank you, amba !
6 years ago.
 Wierd Folkersma
Wierd Folkersma club
great work again.
Hope you will find a good solution, nobody knows how Ipernity will develop..
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Wierd Folkersma club
many thanks, wierd !
maybe "account sharing" is a solution? we think about...
6 years ago.
 Peter Van Lom
Peter Van Lom
Well done...
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Peter Van Lom
thank you very much, peter !
6 years ago.
 Don Sutherland
Don Sutherland club
Outstanding composition.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Don Sutherland club
many thanks, don !
6 years ago.
 beverley
beverley
. . . hello dear friend, I have returned, but now after six days,
I think it highly unlikely I shall stay. I respect your words you have
written here and salute you for your true grit and determination
always . . . you are an artist :) always will be . . . I hope we meet
again . . . :) bye for now dear friend . . .
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to beverley
thank you so much, dear bev !
we had a great time here, maybe it's over - maybe not ! we'll see... but i'm sure that we'll keep in touch ! ;-)
6 years ago.
 Christel Ehretsmann
Christel Ehretsmann club
I've been here for a long time as well, since 2008...and remember your beginnings here...Your work is quite alive and moves with you...That's why I do like it here...Our very story is written and shown and we can follow its evolution...
I do hope IMA will last...
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Christel Ehretsmann club
so kind, dear christel, thank you for these words !
indeed, we both are here since 2008 and have seen and done a lot on this platform... and i noticed that many of us "old" members left iper in the last year. i'm still thinking about my being here - do i share an acount with somebody to reduce the costs or am i disgusted too much by this blackmail "pay or be closed" ? and there are additional things to think and discuss...
to be smashed out wouldn't make me happy, but it also wouldn't be a drama...
we'll see what will happen...
many thanks, christel !
6 years ago.
 DOMCHO
DOMCHO club
En souhaitant que le site continue de durer. Dommage de ne pas y rester vu la qualité de vos créations je viens de revisiter les dernières toujours autant de talent
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to DOMCHO club
on verra, dom ! ;-)
un grand MERCI à toi !
6 years ago.
 Marije Aguillo
Marije Aguillo club
Fantástica realización. Un trabajo con mucha fuerza y expresividad.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Marije Aguillo club
muchas gracias, marije ! saludos !
6 years ago.
 (*NIKonGT*)
(*NIKonGT*)
Ich hoffe das wir dich und deine Kunst auch weiterhin hier sehen können :-)
Deine Bilder kann ich mir immer wieder ansehen uns bewundern!
Ich kann mich nur Christels Worte anschliessen.

Viele Grüsse aus dem Norden!
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to (*NIKonGT*)
lieben dank, gisela !
heute ist der (vorläufig) letzte tag meiner clubmitgliedschaft, was dann kommt, werden wir erleben... ;-)
6 years ago.
 Ulrich John
Ulrich John club
Entdeck ich heute erst ! Wieder ein Bild, das ich lange anschauen kann. Früher bekam ich deine Photos irgendwie automatisch angeboten. Nun muss ich halt von Zeit zu Zeit bei dir schauen. Da rutscht halt manchmal was durch. Mag auch den Text, den dumeingestellt hast und verstehenderen Standpunkt. Finde allerdings, dass Ipernity etwas fehle würde, wenn deine Bilder hier nicht mehr zu sehen sind.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Ulrich John club
ich veröffentliche ja nicht mehr ganz so häufig, da ist es hoffentlich nicht zuviel stress, ab und an vorbeizuschauen ! :-)
du bist aber immer herzlich eingeladen ! lieben dank, ulrich !
6 years ago.
 Marije Aguillo
Marije Aguillo club
Me encantan tus trabajos a base del cuerpo humano porque les dotas de gran expresividad y dramatismo.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Marije Aguillo club
muchas gracias, marije ! saludos
6 years ago.
 Sami Serola (inactive)
Sami Serola (inactiv… club
"i won't pay 50 usd/year and don't want to be a member of an elitist community"

Any chance you have changed your opinion, Rob(?)

Although, I do think your opinion and what you wrote here is well said. World wide web is not a free, equal, trustful or open media to many. But it definitely is better than no media. From my part I keep on trying to prove that even a low paid peasantry like me can afford to use services like these for communication and self-expression. It is just a question of priorities.

But I do miss the "old good days" of MyOpera, Multiply, Panoramio etc.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
no, my friend, i haven't changed my opinion, but with this special offer "pay 6 months, get 9" i calculated a fee/year at about 30 €, this is what i would pay for a club membership, so i did.
there are still free memberships possible, so it isn't an elitist community yet. as i said to bernhard (bergfex): we'll see what happens in the next 9 months. if free memberships will be cancelled, the starting position will have changed - then i'll see what to do...

the good old days are over, sami, don't be sad ! :-)
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to .t.a.o.n.
Thank you, Rob. Yes, I personally think we should try to keep free accounts, even if we would have to limit their capacity to very minimum. That possibility should be investigated more closely. Although, some people have already said they does not accept "free riders" at all.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
so we have the same opinion about free accounts... ;-)
i always read the argument: if i'm in club and pay for and others are not and have a free account, i would pay for them... but they forget that if i'm in club and pay for and they're in club and pay the same, but they're publishing 10 photos/day and i publish 1 photo/week, then i pay for them ! so this argument is a bit dishonest.
free accounts with limited capacity - our thoughts are the same.
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to .t.a.o.n.
Hmm... That gives some food for the thoughts. So, one could have a monthly fee limited based on the monthly capacity. For example:

- Free account, 1 photo per week.
- Economy account, 10 euro and 10 photos per week.
- Pro account, 40 euro and no limits.
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
yes, yesssss, YESSSSSSSS ! :-)
6 years ago.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to .t.a.o.n.
Unfortunately it is not me who decides*. Plus there are number of technical issues still not solved.

*Edit: Oops that came out badly. Luckily it is not me who decides. I would be dictatorial and merciless =D But the point is the community is on one hand too large to achieve common agreement, and on the other hand we are still lacking of ways to even try found it. Running polls alone is way too cumbersome when people does not seem to be interested to follow the situation.
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club
the majority of club members will decide, probably, after all technical problems are solved... i hope, they will decide in a good way for ipernity ! a community completely without free accounts may break the neck of the community... and all who insist that free accounts aren't possible anymore are responsible for the consequences...
6 years ago.
 aNNa schramm
aNNa schramm club
G R E A T *****
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to aNNa schramm club
many thanks, anna !
6 years ago.
 Bernard
Bernard club
the lamb ... my favourite album
6 years ago.
.t.a.o.n. has replied to Bernard club
a masterpiece, indeed ! many thanks, bernard !
6 years ago.

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