Michiel 2005

Michiel 2005

Posted on 02/07/2014


Photo taken on August  4, 2004


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Ukraine – Chernihiv | Чернігів

Ukraine – Chernihiv | Чернігів
Pictures from the summer of 2004.

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11 comments - The latest ones
Canadian Pacific
Canadian Pacific
Oh I missed this series. Very exotic part of Europe (to me anyway).
4 years ago.
Michiel 2005
Michiel 2005
Just some pictures of Ukraine which I never put on Flickr/Ipernity.

Ukraine is just as exotic to me too.
4 years ago.
Canadian Pacific has replied to Michiel 2005
And now the Cold War resumes in Ukraine between the West and the Soviets. Whoever thought the Cold War ended?
4 years ago.
Michiel 2005
Michiel 2005
This conflict has some deeper roots. Kiev was the place where the Russian state was founded (in the Middle Ages) and the birthplace of Russian christianity. The west of Ukraine was always in contention between Russia and Poland and/or Austria-Hungary. Only after 1939 the west of present-day Ukraine became part of the Soviet empire. After the Czar was toppled in 1917, Ukraine tried to become independent, but the Soviet regime prevented that. Stalin caused a famine in Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 and that caused a lot of anger in Ukraine against the Russians. In the east of Ukraine there is an important coal and steel industry, with a lot of Russians living there.

I think the people in Ukraine want to live in a more or less normal country. You might think mr. Ford is a bad politician, but it is nothing compared to the corrupt regime just disposed.
4 years ago.
Canadian Pacific has replied to Michiel 2005
Shhhhhhhhh, don't let Mr. Ford think that he's not that bad. His ego is already over-bloated, just like his girth. I'm curious (and somewhat scared) about what Russia plans to do. But then tension between Japan and China is also running high... and countries around the South China Sea are also quite nervous about China's ambition. All the old wounds are opening up again.
4 years ago.
Michiel 2005 has replied to Canadian Pacific
It is a bit strange that China and Japan had no quarrels for centuries. It is only since the Second World War that there has been anger and contention.

The area of Ukraine has changed "ownership" many times, mainly because there are no natural borders.

We are changing into a multipower world and everybody is jockeying for positions.
4 years ago.
Canadian Pacific has replied to Michiel 2005
I actually don't know Oriental history very well. But I'll try my best in recycling others' theories...

Historically, China dominated the entire Far East from 800 AD to 1700 AD in terms of language, culture, economy and art. From Japan to Korea to China to Taiwan to Vietnam, the Chinese language was used and China was the overlord.

But both China and Japan began to shut their doors just as Europe rose during the Renaissance and new capitalist nation-states emerged.

Japan during the Edo Period (1603 to 1867; also called Tokugawa Shogunate) adopted an isolationist foreign policy, and pretty much would only trade with China, Korea and the Netherlands through Dejima (Nagasaki). China in a similar fashion also had a fear for foreigners, though foreign trade remained open through ports like Shanghai and Canton (now Guangzhou). Both China and Japan in the mid-19th century were decades behind Western Europe and America in terms of scientific, economic and industrial development.

In 1867, Japan's Tokugawa Shogunate was overthrown and a new era known as the Meiji Restoration began. Within a short period of time, Japan opened up its ports to foreign trade and ideas, and very rapidly became a dominating power in the East. Lacking natural resources of its own, Japan adopted an increasingly aggressive policy towards its neighbours with rich resources (iron, copper, coal). During the First Sino-Japanese War (1894/5), Japan easily defeated China, much to China's horror. Just 10 years later, Japan also easily defeated Russia in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904/5.

Suddenly, the little island nation of Japan successfully invaded (and humiliated) the old Russian and Chinese Empires, shocking the world.

In 1937, Japan launched a full invasion of Korea and China, which in 1941 became part of the larger World War II (Pacific War).

I suppose people have short-term memories... they only remember the animosities and hostilities from Japan in the past 100 years, rather than the relatively friendly relations between 800 AD and 1880s.

Plus both Korea and Japan stopped using Chinese and created their own languages, so culturally the gap grew wider and wider.

Japan's economic miracle of the 20th century and rise to a G7 nation probably further embarrassed the Chinese nation. It doesn't help that in the view of China and Korea, Japan never admitted its wrongdoings during World War II. Officially, Japan accepts the responsibility for the atrocities that it inflicted on its neighbours during World War II, but every year, some high government ministry-level officials insist that Japan invaded the rest of the Orient to rid it of European/ American colonialism. Japan's history text books also "conveniently" omits its aggression to the rest of Asia and the 25 million innocent people who died, which is a major sticking point in normalising diplomatic relations in the Far East.

Finally, both China and Japan has major domestic problems, and some believe that both countries are trying to deflect its domestic crises by stoking up extreme nationalism.

Currently the biggest risk is both countries' claims of economic and sovereignty in parts of the East China Sea where oil or natural gas might lie undersea. Both China and Japan are massive energy users, and we all know oil and gas (or clean fresh water) is a "good" reason for military conflict.
4 years ago. Edited 4 years ago.
Michiel 2005
Michiel 2005
It is strange that Japan never acknowledged its deeds if you compare it to Germany. There they seem to revel in telling the German youth about the badness of the deeds of the Third Reich.
4 years ago. Edited 4 years ago.
Canadian Pacific has replied to Michiel 2005
Indeed Japan has never fully taken full responsibility for its aggression during the Sino-Japanese War, and World War II, as the West has never demaded that. China and Korea demand that, but Japan doesn't care so long as Hondas and Toyotas can be sold in Korea and China.
4 years ago.
Don Sutherland
Don Sutherland
Outstanding shot.
3 years ago.
Michiel 2005
Michiel 2005
Thanks
3 years ago.