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IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE WE DISCUSSED THE ECONOMY....

Wednesday July 8, 2009 at 10:17PM

....I have not begun any economic threads in my blog, in approximately 4 months, because the topic seemed to "bum everybody out"....However, i think it is time to play catch-up....

....Personally, i believe that the economy is in worse shape, than 4 months ago....Another huge drop in stocks is on the horizon, i believe, and this mini-depression will probably continue until 2011...OR LONGER....I believe stock prices will drop to a level, LOWER THAN THEIR MARCH 9th LOWS....

....Corporations have done as much as they are able....huge layoffs....slashing all costs to the bone....and dividend reductions, just to name a few....In addition, corporations are NOT in a position to raise prices, due to the fragile state of the economy....

....President Obama is doing as fine a job as is possible....however, he can only do "so much"....Economic cycles need to play themselves out, and everyone is basically powerless to change the course of economic events....

....Where do YOU feel we are headed???

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Jason says:
Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket?

New Zealand is having a slight rebound from the downturn, and we might be in a state of slight recovery at the end of the year.

Of course we didn't print trillions to pay our debts. If nothing else this recession may finally see Milton Friedman overturn John Keynes as the economist of choice.
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
'CINDY ASHLEY MILLERpro replies:
REPLY TO Jason....You say "MIGHT be in a state of SLIGHT recovery...."....sounds like no recovery at all, to me....
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
Jason says:
When everything is headed downhill just holding to a level is considered an achievement.

Besides, I prefer to make my predictions about the future after it occurs. :-)
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Artie_x says:
Cindy, if "Economic cycles need to play themselves out, and everyone is basically powerless to change the course of economic events" why did the Bush and Obama administrtions spend a gazillion dollars on economic recovery? Not that I disagree with you, I just want to hear an Obama supporter admit that, in terms of the TARP funds, he and those who voted for it had their heads up their asses.
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
'CINDY ASHLEY MILLERpro replies:
REPLY TO Artie_x....Bush and Obama are politicians....constituents expect their politicians to take action in the face of danger (or a threat), and not allow major financial institutions to go "bankrupt"....However, opinions vary widely, on how much benefit will be derived from the TARP, over the long run....After years and years of excess (greed), the current financial "collapse" was unavoidable....It needs to play itself out over time, and my opinion is that it will take at LEAST 2 more years....
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'CINDY ASHLEY MILLER edited this comment 4 months ago.
Artie_x replies:
REPLY TO Cindy... This financial collapse WAS avoidable. I understand economic downturns do happen but when Barney and Chris monkey with regulations to force lending institutions to loan large amounts to unworthy customers, Freddie and Fannie don't get the oversight needed and banks don't get the oversight already in place, things are bound to fall apart. Yes, greed did play a role but greed is a great motivator. I really don't care that CEOs make big bucks and that bonuses are substancial as long as there is a level playing field, the money is made honestly, customers are not getting screwed and the public are not left paying for the cleanup.

Obama's economic recover bill was pushed though congress as an emergency measure. People didn't have time to object to parts that didn't make sense and were not allowed to debate the whole concept. Emergency measures for a 2 year long recovery? Sounds like a scam to me.
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'CINDY ASHLEY MILLERpro replies:
REPLYTO Artie_x....This financial collapse was UNavoidable....because it was triggered by the consequence of human behavior....and the human behaviors of greed and fear never change....
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'CINDY ASHLEY MILLER edited this comment 4 months ago.
Slipery Mule says:
New Zealands alleged 'slight' recovery..????... unemployment is going up 1000 a week

How is the introduction of prudent financial regulatory measures coming along in the US?
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
Jason says:
we might be in a state of slight recovery at the end of the year

Note the use of the word "might" and the time scale. We are in a better position than many countries, we're not run by hard left socialists (more slightly right of centre socialists) and our banks haven't collapsed.
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
'CINDY ASHLEY MILLERpro replies:
REPLY TO Jason....YOUR banks in New Zealand have not collapsed, because the U.S. did not allow IT'S banks to collapse....like CITIBANK....
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
Jason says:
I'm not so sure Cindy. Our banks are either Government owned (Kiwibank) or are owned by Australian banks. Could you explain the relationship?
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
'CINDY ASHLEY MILLERpro replies:
REPLY TO Jason....Just using CITIBANK as one example....and there are others....CITIBANK has operations in over 148 countries around the world....there is not a single segment of the financial world that it is not involved in....the vast majority of which, in a major way....
....Not being familiar with the New Zealand and Australian banks, and their investment portfolios, i cannot tell you, specifically, which defaulted securities could bring down a specific country's banking system....HOWEVER....i am sure, that thru securities' guarantees and re-purchase agreements, CITIBANK'S fingerprints are ALL OVER your country's banking investment portfolios....
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'CINDY ASHLEY MILLER edited this comment 4 months ago.
Dave Griffith says:
Obama is NOT doing a fine job. He's set us up for a huge fall which is only a matter of time... By spending so much and creating US dollars where none previously existed, we are headed for the precipice. Just over the horizon is a huge inflationary trend. Did you notice the Chinese want to change the currency of the world? That's because they KNOW that we're headed for a fall and don't want to be dragged down when the dollar collapses. Now is the time to buy a home or another big investment because in a few months the inflation will make prices soar and our earnings worth virtually nothing. The only good thing about this is that Americans will realize that Obama has led us down the garden path and will vote for a fiscal conservative as the next president. Maybe then we'll have some sensible government "inaction."
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
Slipery Mule says:
Finance companies, banks and insurance companies SAME... grip on money supply
In NZ our initial collapse is largely in finance companies.
Mum and Dad investors were told porkies about the level of risk exposure there savings were going to.
'Mezzanine' finance on construction projects fell over
Large sums were invested offshore in Freddy Fannie type 'safe' portfollios
Money supply is not nearly as much of a problem as it was 9 months ago, when even city councils could not raise finance.
If more US banks had failed we would have been toast. Thanks President Cindy.
Posted 4 months ago. ( permalink )
Slipery Mule says:
It's not a left or Right to blame story.

Just maximising profit, pushing the boundaries of regulations....
...until regulations imposed after the 30's crash fail to be effective as intended.
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