About social networks

First: I think I can understand how you feel about being blocked by someone. I don't like to be blocked or to get no answer either.

But I think this is nothing you can change with more (technical) features at the site. It's just the communication between human beings. Some just turn around and walk away, if you say 'Hello' - just because they don't want to talk to someone, they don't know. Maybe. And others asking "Are you sure? Would you really say this again?" the moment after you said the dumbest phrase ever in your life ;-)
So everyone has the chance to block or to ask for an explanation before hittin' the block button.

IMHO the more important thing is, that you get a chance to interact or to call for support, if someone is writing inacceptable things about you in a post or something like that.

Don't know, if this is excatly what you meant with "pros and cons". It's just my opinion at the moment.

Thanks for your point of view, my friend. Waiting to meet you in Cannes!

First of all Roberto, she'll be sorry for blocking you in a while and it tells a lot about the person itself as well. Some aren't just flexible enough to be on a photo sharing site.

Secondly i agree with your points. Blocking like it is now is too radical in my opinion. No chance to restore or to repair, as in your case, a maybe not well understood comment. On the other hand it isn't that important as well because she wasn't a contact anyway. Just like in real life we accidentally bump sometimes into a stranger, saying just not the right words in their opinion and we get a growl back as the recompense of a good meant apology. If they could, they blocked us in such a case.

But i think it's very different when it comes to contacts we already have for some period. I would very much like to know what went wrong and at least have the opportunity to make it somehow right.

Thanks for your opinion, but, please, don't be too harsh: it was a real misunderstanding and she unblocked me immediately after the intervention of some friends that bring her my excuses. The comic part is that while I was writing that unfortunate mail she was adding me to her network...
In the past days, when reviewing my network, I tried to add some friends that were unexpectedly out of my network and I was unable to do it: I'm blocked and I don't know why.
I never blocked another member and I don't even know if it's possible to block one by mistake as you can post in the wrong group by mistake!!

i am blocking :D that's fun :D
i mean when you really don't like someone entering your private space with extremely stupid comments and asking-polite is not working, yeah :D i like blocks ;))
seriously: i know how you feel, but i don't think that block-announcement option will change a thing.
@Roland: well, mostly people DO know what they did wrong, they just cannot understand that someone can have enough of really stupid/not polite behaviour.
this case is different. and i really don't know what to think: everyone can leave comments in my stream, some people add me to their network but if they cannot leave even 1 comment or star, that means it's no use for me to add such people to my network (same with people that only watch and NEVER leave ANY comments! geez, is it so difficult? they can write :/)
but here, dunno... :/
I'm sorry Roberto and i promise to never block you! :) (i wouldn't anyway :P i like you :D)
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I love you, Maddie AHAHAH ;-*
You made my day!

any time :D:D:D ;]]
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I think that one of the problems is that we don't have a common culture and a common language. I didn't study English at school; I learned it by myself and I'm unable to fully express my thoughts.
I studied French, but I had few occasions of practicing it during the last years. I never studied Spanish and I'm learning it a little bit "on the job". And cultures are another level of magnitude of difficulty up!

My experience here is that sometime we forget these two aspects of communication (and the absence of non-verbal communication, using the keyboard!)

so there's 2 of us :D i was learning while watching Star Trek: The Next Generation :D (that's why i really don't know many things, but pfffffffffffff, i watched Star Trek: Enterprise, and learned a few new words :D)
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so you know a lot about Klingon culture: how about ipernity in Klingonese? ;-)

Vulcans are better :D they don't smile ;]]
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Make it three! But i do feel that we understand each other perfectly! Language can be a barrier, good behavior, respect for each other should be however unbounded.

@mad.melon: The hustle and bustle with contacts is not only present over here, it's on all sharing sites on the net and an item that is heart all over and over again. Absence of time makes it impossible to write to all contacts of ones network but i do agree that when one finally takes the time to go to a stream in ones network they could at least fave one or write a comment, even if it's just a short one.

yeah, but when you visited someones stream more than 3 times it's just polite to show that you've been there (i would remove that "who visited you" thing, maybe that would be less annoying? ;) not knowing how many people click your photo and ignore it completely: maybe it's a crap, but maybe they don't find others important enough to leave a comment? dunno, it makes me really pissed off anyway ;))
and yep :D i likeeeeeeeeee blocking such people :D:D:D

Je préfère répondre en français pour éviter tout malentendu :-))
Je comprends ta frustration de ne pouvoir t'expliquer.
A mon avis, la réaction radicale de ton interlocutrice traduit un manque de confiance en soi et/ou un manque d'ouverture d'esprit.
Dans la "vraie" vie, l'aurais-tu ajoutée à ton cercle d'amis ?
Si un jour tu m'énerves, je ne te répondrai pas mais je ne te bloquerai pas :-D

Tolerance signifie aussi accepter cette reaction: je ne juge jamais les personnes et je juge les comportements seulement quand je connais assez une personne pour comprendre le contexte; cela n'est pas le cas en cette situation. Dans la "vraie" vie je n'aurais jamais plaisanté comme ça avec une personne que je ne connaissais pas et tout cela n'aurait pu se passer. Merci de ton opinion.

Hi Roberto,
I´d agreed to your proposals, but I fear it won´t not change much. I think pics, comments and information give you over time some impression of who the one at the other side is. If then one is deciding for breaking the contact with you (because of misunderstanding) ... it´s not nice, but you have to accept.
And there is always 2nd chance of course.
Regards, Frank
(... who never blocked anyone and hopefully never will be blocked by anyone either)

At first thought, I agreed with your propositions, Roberto. But thinking again, I am not so sure it is a good idea, even if, in your specific case, it would have been one.
- The notification: anyway, if someone come back on the page of the people who blocked him, he will know. And if he don't, it is may be better that he don't know: such notification can aggravate the tensions.
Silence is often a good way to ease tensions.
- The same, sometimes, for an explanation. And if you really want to explain why you blocked someone, it is easy: you can send a mail or make a comment on his page, or on his stream before blocking: I do it for the only person I blocked till now.
- The possibility to one reply, well, in general, not in your case, it can also give someone an occasion to aggravate the problem as well. May be not. But anyway, I suppose it is not so easy to implement, and there is so much great things to do for this website.
The Ipernity team does really great work, but there will always be, I think, more important things to work on.
And, as in your case, friends can help to ease misunderstandings.

Hm... I understand your points, Roberto. And in your case I would certainly agree.
But to me blocking is a harsh means for the tough cases. And for these cases I think the way it is implemented is correct. If I ever should be stalked by someone I would really want to make him/her stop, not being able to reply even once. I never had this problem, but I have seen strange things happen even here on ipernity where the blocking mechanism is important.
To me it's really the last resort, that I don't intend to use lightly, but then I would like to have it the way it is.

light...

I agree, blocking is absolutely fine... there's no necessity to excuse or apologize. Just shrug it off and go on

Bloquer quelqu'un c'est l'ultime limite
Je n'éprouve pas le besoin de justifier ou laisser quelqu'un se justifier car si je bloque ou je suis bloqué, j'estime que tout à été fait pour ""empecher"" cet extreme.
Si on en est à se bloquer, c'est qu'il y a une bonne raison et que tes "points" ont déjà été éprouvés...
donc je les trouve inutile...
juste un point de vue :)

I never knew that you could block someone, or be blocked by someone ... sometimes ignorance is bliss :-)

ho lala, il n'y a pas que cela Facebook vire des membres sans explication et raison et sans prevenir, c'est un phenomène recurant des reseaux dit sociaux que je trouve de plus en plus anti-sociaux, en principe, c'est fait pour se faire des connaissances mais l'on en est de plus en plus empeché, je trouve deplorable que d'un simple clic, sans raison apparente, l'on puisse te supprimer d'un reseau, d'un compte, ils oublient bien souvent qu'un être humain est derrière le clavier et l'ecran et non une personne virtuelle ou un robot ce n'est pas parce que l'on ne voit pas les gens qu'ils n'existent pas et actuellement c'est un grand mal sur internet !

Very interesting discussion. It remembers me of the discussion about (auto)censorship: the points of view are very different and it makes me think the Team chose a good road: their!!! ;-)

roberto ... i agree with tuvalu ...

based on my personal experience and that of others i think blocking is necessary but in certain instances and should not be taken lightly. now you are a family man and have an honorable reputation. but if there is someone who clearly is crossing your personal line of a comfortable boundary, visits your gallery and is not let's say considerate of the "little ones" well it's quite difficult. but i am NOT saying this is the ONLY excuse to block someone. but i do know of particular individuals who do not want to be associated with a particular type of behavior and just by association of network are exposed to this and sometimes "shocked".
So obviously we have cultural differences, varying preferences as well as values to consider here.
Not only that but consider the fact that someone may be as tuvalu mentioned already ... stalking and harrassment really is a substantial reason to block without warning. A person needs to feel safe and should at least be provided that ... it's a basic need.
but in your instance ... for someone to block you based on your differing opinion no i do not believe this is a reason to block. I think she should have at least made it clear to you why she wouldn't make you a contact or WHAT it was that she didn't like about your comments. This is normal conversation and merely considerate.

so ... this is my opinion ... i might have been too thorough for some and excluded other points for others but off the top of my head this is what i have experienced and believe.

baci, mimmy

my 2 cents.
i block people with prurient content who make me a contact. i don't want my photos wedged between body parts with no artistic merit. i wouldn't want these people notified of my action.

i am here for real, honest exchanges- not titillation.

thank you for being my contact and friend, Roberto.

I can understand what you feel being blocked for a stupid reason... but I also think blocking someone is something "private", and I'm sometimes happy to be able to block someone without notice.
For instance, if one of my customers suddenly appears on Ipernity, I'd probably like to block him, in order for me to protect my 'privacy'. And I would not feel comfortable if I knew he will receive a notice about that, because he could think "she's blocking me because she has something to hide" and develop a kind of unsane curiousity...
Was my 2 cents also...

Blocking stops the interaction, not the possibility of the blocked person to access your stream...

www.ipernity.com/help/faq/network#190: this is the FAQ about blocks

je crois que le choix du team est le bon, et j'utilise ce système blocage unilatéral pour des raisons ci-dessous et qui me n'engagent que moi :
- les spameurs (hélas de plus en plus)
- les gens qui commencent à intervenir négativement dans mon stream
- ceux qui ont besoin d'un blog pour laver en publique leur ligne sale
- la protection parentale contre certaines images impudiques
- ceux qui m'énervent de trop par une attitude négative, tout simplement
En grande ligne, je suis ici pour m'amuser en premier lieu et avoir des contacts dans un esprit courtois et respectueux.
Une petite histoire vécue (qui donne à réfléchir) :
Il y a deux ans, pour une raison qui m'avait paru absurde et incompréhensible , un jeune ipernitien X m'a accusé de le harceler et X c'est mis a m'insulter dans un blog publique. Ceci sans aucune correspondance préalable.. N'ayant aucune envie de m'ennuyer avec des propos aussi dérisoires, j'ai bloqué X
Il y a quelques mois, X m'a contacté via un ami ipernitien, qui m'a transmis deux pages d'excuses. J'ai enlevé immédiatement le blocage (que j'avais d'ailleurs oublié), suivi d'un e-mail conciliant a X .
Depuis lors plus de nouvelles, bizar, bizar
En tout cas, j'ai tiré une leçon de cette histoire : marcher comme sur des œufs avec les commentaires, surtout quand on connaît pas assez la personne.

Mon pauvre Dany, j'ai été bloquée mais je n'ai bloqué personne a cause de commentaire trop sincère, il ne faut jamais dire que l'on trouve quelque chose "nulle a chier" même si l'on fait partie du groupe "gardela, virela" alors que l'on s'en prend soi-même des pas piquée des hannetons, j'ai preféré prendre du recul avec Ipernity plutot que de bloquer certaines personnes que me tapaient sur le système, le temps arrange bien souvent les choses, je n'aime pas les personnes trop reac ! Il faut dire que depuis pas mal d'années je gère des groupes de discussion et que j'ai l'habitude de la moderation cela doit aider a la tolerance

Je suis tout à fait d'accord avec ce que tu dis Dany. C'est pour cela que je suis encore sur iper.

Je tiens a rajouter une chose fondamentale qui est le propre d'internet, il suffit que dans la vraie vie il y ai une contrariété quelconque ( impots a payer, dispute avec le patron, mauvaise nouvelle et autres mesaventure quotidienne ) que l'on voit un commentaire ou reçoive un mail pas tres "agreable " pour qu'une poussée d'adrenaline incite a bloquer la personne (apres tout cette personne est étrangère et l'on ne la connait pas, comme dit rien a faire d'elle si elle n'est pas "aimable" ) mais imaginons le même commentaire dans un autre contexte ou le patron annonce une augmentation, ou l'on reçoit un cadeau et ou l'on est en vacances, je pense que la chose serait prise autrement !

io sono stato bloccato 2 volte...in entrambi i casi pero' con queste c'ero stato a letto quindi :DDDDDD saranno rimaste deluse dalle mie prestazioni ahahahahah...la cosa infatti m i fa pensare...ma non e' che per caso che con tutto questo girovagare ti sei dato hmmmmdiciamo cosi' un po' da fare? ahahahahahah scheeeeeeeeee...ciao robbi un abbraccione

ma tu non sei un vecchiaccio sdentato come me :DDDDD

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When someone blocks you that's it. Move on, get over it. It is everyones freedom to choose friends as he or she likes.

Cher Roberto, cela fait longtemps que je ne t'ai plus vu sur mes pages. Tu me rappelles il y a 2 ans quand je faisais mon apprentissage sur IP. C'était le bon temps. On s'amusait bcp plus. On rigolait et on était tout mélangé "toutes catégories" et on cherchait à se connaître. Au fur et à mesure, j'ai l'impression que plus personne n'ose s'exprimer franchement. On bloque, tu me dis, on m'aurait bloquée que je n'aurai rien su et j'aurai aimé le savoir. Récemment, j'ai du enlever de ma liste 2 amis que j'aime bcp et je regrette tjrs mon geste. C'était pour une raison et j'y ai réfléchi pendant longtemps. Je lis les blogs qui apparaissent sur mon home page et jour après jour, c'était rempli par des annonces en espéranto. Je ne pouvais plus lire les autres annonces parce qu'ils sont 2 ou 3 nouveaux et ils sont déplacés par les douzaines en espéranto. Je ne sais donc plus ce qui se passe et dois aller les chercher sur les pages de mes autres amis ou passer les voir au cas où ils ont sorti qqch pendant mes absences sur IP. Comme mon ordi est extrêmement lent (il faut acheter un nouveau et ns sommes en pleine dispute là-dessus!) Maintenant je vois les autres blogs mais suis souvent submergée par de la musique!!! Mais ceci n'est pas l'unique problème de IP. J'ai suivi son évolution et je ne sais pas si c'est voulu ou si c'est naturel. Comme IP est mon 1er social network, je n'ai pas de points de comparaison si ce n'est qu'avec les nombreux social groups auxquels j'appartiens ou ai appartenu. J'ai récemment essayé d'aller jeter un coup d'oeil chez les autres social networks. Cela prends bcp de temps, que je n'ai pas, vu ma vie personnelle déjà bourrée et mes intérêts artistiques. Pour ma part, il y a de la lassitude envers IP. Il n'y a plus les élans et les émotions du nouveau, de la réalisation que dans la vie virtuelle, on retrouve les réalités de la vie réelle qui restent attachées à soi-même. Il y a des possibilités qui ne sont pas explorées parce qu'on ne les a pas aperçu es et on continue à s'esquiver, à ne voir que ce qu'on a déjà vu, à ne comprendre que ce qu'on a déjà compris. Je dois dire qu'il y a plusieurs Ipernitiens qui font tout pour maintenir la cohésion et une vie agréable sur Iper pour tout leur groupe dont toi, Roberto tu en fais parti. Ils doivent avoir des journées de 48 heures. En tout cas, bravo et tous mes remerciements à tout ce groupe. J'ai fait un collage que je viens de terminer et que je te dédis Roberto pour avoir soulevé la question car ce sont ces multiples heurts qui finissent par nous user. Viens sur mes docs pour voir mon collage. Je m'excuse, je viens de réaliser que j'ai du écrire en anglais,