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I grew up between various sorts of religions. Catholic, Protestant, Jehovas whitnesses and (even though I didn't know it at that time) Islam. It never bothered me. I grew up, being taught the Catholic form of religion. I was with the Pathfinders for a while, but I've never been much of a groups and "follow the lead" type of person. Around age 13 I started exploring the Protestant ways, but mainly to join their Chorus, which was fun for a while. I liked their more open ways of thinking and preaching better than the Catholics as well. During that time we started exploring some esoteric ways and things as well. Working with a pendle and with a table, etc. Only for a short while though, for some weird things happened and we stopped.
I never was in favor of any form of the main stream religions. I always found it kind of weird to follow the rules of a man written old book, which had changed obviously over the centuries, because people make mistakes while copying it or deliberatly change it for their own good.
Soon the idea grew, that most religious leaders just use their power to feed and nurture their own greed and better themselves. It still seems to me that way in our present time.
Even in the ways I try to follow it is like that. People write a lot of books, because they know that people will buy them just to make money for themselves, truth be in them or not. Greed rules the world.
No matter which religion you choose to be yours is fine with me. It doesn't matter as long as you let the people around you choose as well.
But never ever forget to use the brains that are given to you. Use those brains to make up your mind about your religious leaders. Look at the way how they live and what they ask their fellow believers to do. Do they live their own teachings? Do their teachings make sense?
Also never forget Love and Respect. I yet have to find the religion where in it's roots is nothing mentioned about those two things. Yet, it's amiss in quite a few places in our Life.
I could go on forever and start giving examples and comparisons, but I'm not going to.
I just ask everyone in this world for a bit more Love, Understanding and Respect. And stop believing blindly what religious leaders tell you and what is written in menwritten books, thousands of years old.....
David de Groot says:
I'm fine with people believing whatever they want, as long as they don't try to push it on me, or espouse their kooky ideas as pure fact with no evidence to back them up beyond what's written in a book that was written 400 years after the events took place.
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tuxcomputers says:
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When they have been on the Hadj (sorry for my spelling, am too lazy to look it up right now), they were brought there and picked up by busses. Their bus was delayed, but another bus driver offered them to take them, because his group wasn't there yet and they were going back to the same place anyway. They gladly accepted and were going to let the older ladies they had with them go first. But the Imam went by and tried to get in first. They stopped him though and put him straight......
desert_dan says:
Paŭl Peeraertspro says:
NicoleB replies:
Ich hoffe, dass ich heute endlich eine englischsprachige Kopie des Korans bekomme. Es gibt da eine Textstelle, die mich brennend interessiert.
Ich haette ihn in Bahrain kostenlos von unserem Taxifahrer bekommen koennen, leider hat das alles nicht geklappt.
Religion und die Fuehrer der Weltreligionen sind leider ein Thema, das mir immer wieder sauer aufstoesst :(
lunaryunapro says:
Ich sage immer: ein Gott im Sinne eines allmächtigen Gottes kann kein Separatist sein, keinen Unterschied zwischen seinen "Kindern" machen, egal was sie glauben, so wie Eltern ja auch all ihren Kindern Liebe und Schutz zuteil kommen lassen sollten, egal in welche Richtung sie "schlagen". Der "claim" allein, nur für eine bestimmte Menschen- und Konfessionsgruppe solche Verhaltensweisen wie Toleranz und Achtung, Liebe und Verständnis aufzubringen, andere aber auszuschließen oder gar zu verunglimpfen, erscheint mir jedem echt religiösen Prinzip gegenüber unvereinbar, stellt aber die tägliche Praxis der großen Weltreligionen dar. Deshalb steh ich außen vor und ziehe es vor, ganz einfach Mensch mit dem Anspruch auf Verstehen und Verständnis und dem grundsätzlichen Denkansatz der Gleichheit zu bleiben.
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NicoleB replies:
Drinnen wird Gleichheit gepredigt und draussen geht dann direkt wieder die Hackordnung weiter.
Sowas kotzt mich wirklich an.....
Wie Du schon sagst, ist leider fast ueberall so :(
Ich verstehe auch nicht, wieso Leute immer wieder fragen, wie Gott irgendetwas zulassen kann. Wozu haben wir denn alle ein Hirn?
Auch wenn im Islam behauptet wird, Frauen haben nur ein halbes.....
Hier eine nette Kurzgeschichte zum Thema beispielhafte Fuehrer:
www.ipernity.com/blog/14369/17921/comment/249232#comment249232
knuddelbacke says:
Fallen mir spontan meine zwei Zeilen zum Thema ein.
Und selbst hier in dieser alten Schrift kann ich nicht erkennen, dass Andere in ihrer Freiheit eingeschränkt würden.
Sherry ~ Rebujito says:
I do feel I am a very spiritual person...and suppose although saying I'm a Christian ...doesn't sit well with me ( too much connected to that label) I certainly am a Christ worshiper. From a very early age...7 to be exact...I just had an epiphany I suppose although way to young to know what that was...it was just a deep deep feeling of faith within me...and even at that young age...I was somehow aware that God is God...no matter how you find *Him*...
And given your religious up bringing forgive me if I'm telling you something you've read a million times...but when *i* read the beatitudes (sermon on the mount) wow...*I feel* love, respect, mercy, understanding...is exactly the message here... thank you for posting this Nicole! *hugs* :-)
NicoleB replies:
All the names out there just don't fit right, because they give people a certain impression of what should be behind that name. And even that varies from person to person.
I once read part of a book about Christ and Christ worshippers, but forgot the title of the book. Got it as an ebook from someone that saw, that I was looking for it on ebay.
The book is banned by the Catholic Church and it is about the wonders of healing that Christ could do and that people no these days still can do. I wish I would remember the name.
Jallen Dragonhide says:
I've explored many different religion... I find them fascinating. I've come to a very similar conclusions as you have.
Asad ur Rahman Kidwai says:
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Ed Bergman says:
tuxcomputers replies:
"hmmmm... I want those lands and resources.... how do I get my people to fight and die so I can have them... wait a minute they have a slightly different religion.... HEY HEY Good people look at those heathens over yonder (in the really great land I want) they are different, lets go kill them for being different and convert them"
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Saffanna says:
Do I believe that "religion" breeds cruelty and violence. No. I believe that flawed "religious" people have misused religion (christianity, islam, et al) to justify their underlying need for power. (in the same vein as: it's not guns that kill people,it's people that kill people.) Long before the printed word was available to the masses, "THE CHURCH FATHERS" claiming to have special insight and access to the higher power of God, used their position to keep the common man subservient and in fear of angering a wrathful god. That barrier was broken with the advent of Gutenberg's press, bibles and texts became freely available, more and more people were able to read and determine for themselves the messages therein. Now as new texts are discovered and passages are better translated from the latin and greek, the Christian community finds that many "truths" long held as indisutable, are actually mis-translated or out of context.
You can read the complete message on my home page, if you are interested.
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markus loissonpro says:
Officially I'm a catholic, and I've no problem with that. It's 'the church' I'm struggling with. I just totally disagree with many statements and decision made by the 'leaders' (local, regional, global, on every level), but those are not the fault of the religion. Also the worshipper, many (most?) of them are so hypocritical. attending the service on sunday mornings and right afterwards in front of the church 'breaking their rules' by hardcore-gossiping and badmouthing.
I could go deeper into that, but many I'd say already was said here, few points may be added or interpreted a bit differently. but mainly it all would be about sanity (live and let live).
Personally I tend to 'create'/follow my own form of buddism (minted by my 'western' and catholic perceptions) which is mainly determined by my conscience, my own understanding of right and wrong above mentioned sanity and, Minbari religion. ;-)
my two cent.