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How does ipernity count views on pictures?

Friday March 28, 2008 at 09:03AM

I'm asking this, cause I do not understand it at all. Compared to my flickr account I get about 10% visitors to my photo stream on ipernity, so I would expect that this roughly holds also for the views on single pictures (as it does for comments or faves). And in the first view days it really does. I got some visits from my contacts and some anonymous visitors. Than the number of daily views drops down. Okay, that's reasonable and I can observe the same on flickr.

But while the number of daily views drops down to something  between  0 and 5  on flickr, I still god dozens of anonymous views on my pictures every day. There are pictures in my stream with almost no comments but 1000 views after little more than one month! On average it's something like 20-30 views per day and picture.

I can't believe that this is real traffic, cause where should that people come from? Of course not from inside ipernity, cause in that case the quota of non-anonymous visitors should be higher (but that's almost zero). And I don't think that they come from search engines like google, cause ipernite's page rank is much lower than flickr's and even on flickr one get  only something like 30% visitors via search engines.

The only thing I can imagine are search robots or just an error in the counters... Anyway it would be nice to have like on flickr a statistic function to see in more detail how people are coming to your stream.

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Дон Андреpro says:
I've also just raised that question here:
www.ipernity.com/blog/19240/54049
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Thanks for the link. Seems to be a general problem.

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
nottiestylepro says:
..Wondering if it is possible to add the Google Analytics script on the image file or eacn page so we are able to know where visitors come from..
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Don't think so. But Christophe mentioned that they thought about some improved statistic functions.

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
nottiestylepro replies:
That would be nice.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Chris82pro replies:
Actually Ipernity uses Google Analytics already from what I've seen, but we users have no access to the stats of course, only the site admins.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
nottiestylepro replies:
-:))))))
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
-mcb says:
I've got a kind of opposed problem: no views at all ;)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Not no views. Concerning comments you have the same level of activity as I have, but not this too high number of phantom viewers...
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Virtual Lover 1™pro says:
i have contact views first day of posting, minimal but welcome- thank you.
when i look at the back of my stream i'm astonished too...the number of views go up on the back pages...this has never happened on any other stream on any other site i've ever had.

i don't get it either -and would like an explanation.

peace, josie
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Yes, really seems to be a general effect, more or less not depending on personal behavior (number of contacts, tagging, groups...).

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Annjin says:
Hmmm, this is interesting. I hardly pay attention to the view count but I did noticed one of my pics that have no comments allowed and is faved by just a few, have an strange high number of visits ... I do wonder how that could be.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
One can of course discuss a lot if views have any meaning at all, but nevertheless it's quite a goog feeling for me if I see that people appreciate my pictures by looking at them. But therefor one has to be sure that real people are looking and not some robots. And that's maybe the case here for this incredible high numbers of anonymous visitors...

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Annjin replies:
First of, I must admit I have missed your "numbers" blogs entries, manganite, its interesting & I' glad its back :)

Yeah, one is perhaps a little - I don't know - but "naive" about the view counts; I just took it for granted that it was actual visits. But maybe its not so? What are the visit count actually? Hmmmm... yes, its interesting indeed and something to ponder about. And I would like to have a answer from the iper team too ;)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
:) Wow someone who have missed them! Maybe I'll give them another try. Comparing actual numbers with the old ones from last year...

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Annjin replies:
would be interesting ;)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Chris82pro says:
I never used flickr, but here I made the experience that most views on my photos are generated by member visitors. I'd say that less than 30% of views on my photos are generated by non-Ipernity members. I don't think that search engine bots are counted in the views or our view numbers would explode. I once had a problem with phpBB where google bot visits were counted as active people browsing the forums and suddenly I had 12000 active users with only 8000 members :D In the meantime I moved to vBulletin because that doesn't have such problems.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
30% is the same on flickr. 70% are from inside flickr, 20% are search engines and the rest is blogs, mashup sites and so on...

But that seems not to hold here. I have pictures with less than 5% (maybe even less than 1%) non-anonymous visitors, while (judging from my contacts and the visitors of my main page) almost all members (or at least the vast majority) are not anonymous.

And if I compare my total photo views to the number of visitors to my stream, than it's something like 10-15:1, so every visitor would look at 10-15 pictures. On flickr it's 3:1. And I see nothing that would let me imagine why people would look at more pictures on ipernity than on flickr.



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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Дон Андреpro replies:
However, I still believe it could be real views. Some pictures seem to collect more anonymous views than others.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Olherpro says:
Tritt das Problem bei allen Bildern auf oder nur bei einzelnen. Das liest sich fast so, als würde Dich ein Blogger mögen?
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
manganite replies:
Das ist eigentlich ein generelles 'Problem' bei mir. Wenn ich z.B. auf die Bilder schaue, die einen Monat alt sind, dann haben die alle so um die 800-1000 views, und es werden täglich mehr, aber quasi alle anonym...

Blogger glaube ich nicht, der müsste selbst schon megapopulär sein. Google glaube ich auch nicht, da finden sich wenn überhaupt nur meine flickr-Bilder und die haben bei weiten nicht soviel google-Besucher.

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Дон Андреpro replies:
Bei mir nicht, auf Seite 8 bspw sind durchaus einige Bilder mit 35 views. Ich könnte mir also schon vorstellen, dass es wirklich echte views sind.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
manganite replies:
Ich kann mir das bei mir echt nicht vorstellen. Es sind einfach zuviele views. Kaum ein Bild hat weniger als 200 views. Mehr als 200 haben 500 views, fast 100 haben mehr als 1000 views.

Zieht man jedoch die anonymen davon ab, bleibt kaum was davon über , vielleicht 5%, eher weniger. Außerdem müsste es dann mehr Kommentare oder faves geben, jedenfalls wenn man es mit flickr vergleicht. In jedem Fall müsste dann aber auch die Zahl der Besucher meines Photostreams höher sein.

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
wolfgang b. replies:
ich habe die gleiche erfahrung wie du gemacht, allerdings bin ich bei flickr draugekommen, dass z.b. fotos für websites verwendet wurden. bei einem bild habe ich beispielsweise ca 20.000 views und bin dann draufgekommen, dass ein holländischer reiseveranstalter damit werbung für bregenz gemacht hat. mittlerweile habe ich bei beiden communities aufgegeben, wie views, "explore" oder "das rockt" funktioniert. wem meine bilder gefallen, der soll sie ansehen, und die anderen können´s bleiben lassen...

schöne grüsse aus bregenz
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
manganite replies:
Ja, extreme externe VIewzahlen habe ich bei flickr auch teilweise, aber letztlich sind das doch immer Einzelfälle. Hier müsste dann aber schon eher die Regel, als die Ausnahme sein, um die ganzen Views zu erklären.

Natürlich hast Du recht, wenn Du sagst, der ganze Statistikkram ist nicht so wichtig. Aber trotzdem, es freut und motiviert mich, wenn ich sehe, dass Leute sich meine Bilder anschauen. Aber was nützt mir das, wenn ich den Zahlen, die unter meinen Bildern stehen, nicht echt, bzw. nicht von echten Besuchern stammen? Gar nix. Deshalb wäre es mir einfach wichtig, zu sehen, wie diese Zahlen zumindest in etwa zu verstehen sind.

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wolfgang b. replies:
klar ist es motivierend, wenn du siehst, dass dein bild ankommt und es mit comments auch entsprchend gewürdigt wird. gleichwohl ist es hier wie dort eine auch eine frage der erfolgreichen selbstvermarktung: wenn ich selber sehr aktiv bin mit comments, einladungen zu gruppen und mir damit eine fan-gemeinschaft aufbaue, dann habe ich die erforderlichen anzahl um dabei zu sein. das ist es auch, was mich an diesen communities stört, dass oft "gefälligkeiten" verteilt werden nach dem motto: wenn du, dann ich auch...
aber egal, zuerst kommt die fotografie...
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
manganite replies:
Stimmt, wer viel gibt, der bekommt auch viel zurück. Ich kenne auch viele 'stille' Photographen, die super Bilder machen, aber kaum jemand nimmt sie war, andere produzieren nur Schrott und haben tausende Fans, nur weil sie hyperaktiv sind.

Deshalb sind Vergleiche zwischen Bildern von verschiedenen Leute nach solchen Popularitätskriterien, wie views oder comments auch ziemlich verzert. Aber innerhlab meiner eigenen Bilder ist das wieder etwas anders, da freut es mich dann wieder, wenn eines besonders gut ankommt und manchmal bin ich dann auch ehrlich enttäuscht, wenn sich kein Schwein für ein Bild zu interessieren scheint...

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Tristan says:
We will soon provide some kind of statistics to let people know where there visitors come from. I think it might bring some light to your questions... :)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
That would be really great! I'm looking forward to this feature :)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Дон Андреpro replies:
That would be cool!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Iljuschinpro replies:
Cool! We need this to understand the visits!
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
nottiestylepro says:
...I have a suggestion to manganite.
Why don't you post this question to the discussion on Unofficial ipernity Ideas and Wish Group ?
Maybe other people have same questions and curious to know where the visitors come from.
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Tristan replies:
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
nottiestylepro says:
@manganite
@Tristan

Do you mind if I add this blog as one of reply to 11565?
Like..."I agree that idea of......, Here is the blog related with this post..."

Only 2 replies there and I think people speak out more here....;-))
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Yes, of course, please do it :)

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Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink )
Tristan replies:
Yes, sure! :)
Posted 19 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
Roberto Ballerini - travelingpro says:
Me too, I wait to see the stats: my counters seem completely non-sense to me (with the exception of the homepage counter)...

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