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What's hot?

Sunday October 14, 2007 at 07:47AM

In principle the last change on the what's hot list is an improvement. More pictures is a good idea, I think. And the list seems to have no certain ranking, at least I cannot detect any, and that's also fine.

But the way how pictures are selected is still a mess. I can't be that a picture is hot if half of the comments are self generated (which leads to the curiosity of pictures with more comments than views in the list) or that comments are only from four or five very talkative people.

If one want to have really hot pictures in this list one should not count absolute numbers, one should count the number of individual visitors and the number of different people who left a comment. And I don't see why this is  not done, cause in the beginning it worked (at least for your personal popularity charts) in this way and suddenly it was changed.

But maybe I miss the intention of this list, and the list is doing exactly what the team wants, but in that case I personally don't agree with this intention.

 

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jake makes slideshowspro says:
I agree, but I'm not sure that comments are a particularly good criteria.... for example, I almost never comment, other than by voting (faving). and iwould also suggest that the timescale be speeded up so that there is more diversity.....
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Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
The same for me, I like to look around and I tend more to leave a fav behind than writing much comments...

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Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Manuel Diumenjó Photography replies:
yes, please, 7 photographers out of 12.500 it's a bit too elitist, don't you think?
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Annjin says:
I find the pictures on the log in page a more diverse selection than the hot page... Therefore also more interesting. I've seen pictures on the log in page with no comments, only votes, so there must be a way to make this possible on the hot page too? But if the intention with the hot page is, as you say, to show the ones with most activity I don't find that page particularly interesting, for the reasons you said. The few times I clicked on a photo on that page I feel I'm just running into a private conversation ;)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Private conversation describes it perfectly, I think... I too prefer the pictures on the log in page. It's very, very seldom that I think, that picture is not worth to be there. And if I remember correctly, then it was the same for the 'what's hot' page in the beginning.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Manuel Diumenjó Photography replies:
yes, but they come so small..., and that bloody dog (my daughter loves)...
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Annjin replies:
what dog ???? ;P
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Put the frontpage images in the what's hot list and it would be perfect... Also the size and one would get rid off the dog ;)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
grey_hound_49pro says:
I agree, self generated comments shouldn't count, I suggest a mix: number of comments (from different people not including self comments), number of visits and number of faves
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
I think so, too.
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Bigoode [Degel] replies:
I found a constructive comment on this interesting blog
i'm so disapointing by reading the one of Moritz
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Annjin replies:
I agree with you, I don't think one should call other peoples work crap...
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Mona Lisa says:
I don't use the "what's hot"-page as a show place for interesting pics (whatever that means, because the kind of pics that I like is different from other people's point of view). but it was a good place to find important blog entries (important for me, of course. ) but at the moment I can't find back the german "what's hot" page. it's still there, but I can't get there. is somebody able to help me? ... and sorry if that's not the kind of comment you'd like to have here. but I was so glad to find a place with a discussion about "what's hot". :-)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Every comment is welcome :)

The german page seams to be called "das rockt" and you find it in the "entdecken" menu:

www.ipernity.com/explore/popular

Bye the way, for blog entries that page works indeed quite well in general.

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Mona Lisa replies:
thanks ... but that's not the problem. I know, where the "das rockt"-button is .. but it doesn't show the same as before. now it's a mixture of things I'm not really interested in. something with 10 pages and not the one page with the "hot" stuff. (although I don't think that everthing there- including my own stuff - was really hot! :-))) ) :-)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
The single page is gone, know you have 10 pages instead of. The good thing is, it's more diverse, the bad thing is the way how they are selected, I think.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Mona Lisa replies:
gone? really? ... hm, but if I press the "entdecken"-button I can see the "hot collection" in thumbs on the right side .... and if I press "alle ansehen" I get to this 10-page-thing that I don't want to see. :-(
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Manuel Diumenjó Photography says:
In my opinion, It doesn't make any sense at all to me that with all the extraordinary diversity and good work of so many, passing from one to 10 pages of "interesting" shots we only improved seeing instead of 3 or 4 good photographers now we can see 5 or 6.

There is clearly a wrong conception from the beginning. And all of us know already our favourites and where to find the real HOT shots. People have all the right to organize private parties.

The pity is really that if "what's hot" is too long a private party, I'll be missing a lot of new good photographers joining the house... Thanks god we still have acces to Lea's Network to see what's going on...






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Annjin replies:
The "private party" feel is exactly why I don't find it particular interesting... I would never crash a party so I rather stay away ;)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Yes, that's right. It's always the same people... I think in general something like explore or this what's hot page is a good thing to find good stuff outside your close network. But how it is set up here, it doesn't work at all...
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
moritz™ says:
What's hot is crap. Really. The pictures are very old and not even good. Flickr's interestingness was a lot more sophisticated: it included not just comments, tags, favs, notes but also picture attributes such as colour etc.

The presentation of what's hot is also crap: why mix discussions with pictures? why are the pictures so small? who cares about the tags?

Bottom line: The pictures of my contacts are way more interesting / beautiful than the pictures in what's hot. Thank you guys!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Maybe flickr's algorithm is meanwhile too sophisticated, but in principle you're right, the ipernity algorithm is too simple. Okay, one has to give some time to improve it, and a first step would be to not longer count selfmade comments.

About the layout. I think they mix up pictures and blog entries cause ipernity is not designed to be a pure picture sharing side, it's intended to share very different thinks, so that's okay. Maybe one should make more specialized what's hot pages, one for pictures, one for videos, and so on.
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Gunnsteinn Jonsson says:
I just want to say that I agree to most of the things that have been written here. For some reason I don't spend much time browsing through "Whats Hot" but I spend much time looking at photos in "Interestingness" on Flickr. It is not only how these pictures are chosen it has also allot to to do with how the page is set up.

I have been away for a while so I looked at Whats Hot, and Latest Docs and Posts just to see what has been going on. I have to admit that I did not do that for a long. For some reason I don't see much in Whats hot that interests me and in Latest Documents and posts were 800 photos from the same person, so I got bored to try to find something from other members. There were some nice photos in Whats Hot but for some reason I don't like how the page is set up. Maybe I am to used to browsing through Flickr.

There are things that I really like about this site and for that reason I am still here :-)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
melpomene says:
i never go to the "what's hot" page anymore. i agree with your comments.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite says:
Just looked after some days agan through the what's hot list and I noticed some changes. The list is much more diverse, so more different people have pictures in there and also the quality has improved. Still there some pictures in the list maybe having some ICQ chat like comment list, but's much better now.

Have they changed the algorithm or has the activity of the people changed?

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Annjin says:
This might be a bit of topic but I thought of the hot page as a place to discover a diverse selection of interesting pictures outside my network. What concerns me a little now is that some people seem more interested to get their own picture up there, not using the page to find others pictures...

If things have changed a bit on the hot page, I think its good. Not because the pictures that were there already were bad or anything but I would also like to discover pictures from a wider and more different selection of photographers, and I think the pictures there should be as diverse as the community itself ;)
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