Ivan MG Published on August 3rd, 2007
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Ipernity and Opera browser

Friday August 3rd, 2007 at 11:16AM

I am an Opera user since... I don't remember... long long time ago. It's one --if not the best-- web browser out there but (there's always a but) there are some pages in the web universe that are not rendered correctly. Most of the times, these problems are nothing more than a little bit annoying but every now and then you find a page that becomes almost useless if your using Opera.

I am writing this post in one of those pages. If you are using IE, Firefox, NetScape or Mozilla you’ll have a nice toolbar over the text box when you’re writing your posts. By using the buttons in this toolbar you can change the layout of your post: font, color, lists, even tables!. If you are using Opera, Safari or none of the above you won’t have such a toolbar. Even worse, all the end-of-paragraph characters are “magically” removed so all the paragraphs are merged into a single, messy and almost undecipherable message.

This is happening because this page is using the FCKEditor module which, as is stated on its home page, is not compatible with Opera

This is not the only problem I’ve found using Opera in ipernity.com. When I was chatting with Paul Peeraerts, the page was only refreshed with the last messages only after I sent my posts, so I had to write something to see Paul’s answers.

To be honest, this kind of problems are, most of the times, caused by poorly designed pages that make use of non-standard web features. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not telling this is the case, I didn’t take a look at the inners of the page code… and I don’t plan to, but I think that, at least, the Ipernity Team should give an alternative method to write readable posts. For web’s sake I can’t even write a post with more than a paragraph*.

I know that FCKeditor and Opera and doing their best to solve this problem but until it’s solved… should I migrate to Firefox?

By the way, does anyone know if there is a standard, polite way to report this kind of problems?. I know there’s someone call Ipernity Team… should I send them a mail? I would like to get, at least, an official answer.

* I’ve found a workaround for this problem… writing the html code directly in the text box (those strange characters you see when you press the “source” button in the toolbar). For those who wonder I did manage to write this post with Opera… after several tries.

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i'mnotparanoid says:
I would also be interested in some sort of feedback on problems of this type.
Unfortunately, I had some (bad) experience using Javascript based editors (form based), and.. I haven't seen a cure, yet, without too much time expenses!

I was actually talking with someone yesterday about this 'browser compatiblity' thing :) He, as a non-Opera user, was complaining about HTML rendering.. I on the other part, I am complaining about Javascript compatibility.. and I have to admit.. it's hard to get IE and Firefox to work nice with the same piece of JS..adding Opera into the mix, it may not be worthing the trouble.

Solution? Don't know.. some Web 2.0 standards? :D

Even so, I won't quit Opera! It's too nice :) And I can't just wait for the new M3(?) mailc client in 9.5, so I can skip over Thunderbird! (It's so strange using Thunderbird without Firefox)

OK,ok, too much on Opera!

Cheers!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Ivan MG replies:
Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree with you. I also think the worst issue is the JS compatibility. Of course, I am not quitting Opera. But I would hate to be forced to use another browser only for visiting ipernity.

- Iván
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Christian Contipro says:
Indeed FCKEditor doesn't work with Safari and Opera. We didn't find any other solution. If you get one, please let us informed! We'd love to make ipernity fully compliant with Safari and Opera.

For bugs reporting, you may use the dedicated link at the bottom of each ipernity pages!

Chris (ipernity team)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Ivan MG replies:
Thank you for the quick reply. If I have time I will try to create (or adapt) some user scripts to include these weird HTML codes for me. At least, it would save me a lot of copy&paste time :P

- Iván
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Cindy Mckeepro says:
I'm a user who just switches back and forth between Firefox and Opera. I too wish for a rich text editor that just works, and works well in Opera.
And as for Esperanto sites, la lernu retejo estas problemo kiam mi vizitas uzante Operon. Estas domaĝe!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )

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