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Why and how to use tags

Monday October 1st, 2007 at 11:38AM

tags
tags
I have seen that a lot of people don't use tags here at all, or are not sure why and how to use them. I will try to explain my point of view, maybe it helps one or another.

First of all, tags are some sort of keywords you can add to your docs, photos, audiofiles, videos, blogpost here. If you have allowed, others can tag your pictures too.*

Some general info about tags and tagging can be found here: "tagging" (DE) (EN), "tag" (EN)



How I use tags:
I have several ways of using tags.

  • to make myself find images/docs/... later'
    i use ipernity for backup reasons as well, tagging makes finding stuff very easy after months. you don't have only one way to find your things later when you use several tags. if you only use titles, albums, descriptions, it might be hard to remember what you named the docs later. while tagging i use all the words i think might make me find this one later very easy. In time you will know if you use english or german or both, plurals or singular expressions (or both).
  • to make others find my images
    when i am interested in others "self-portraits" for example. I click that link and then click "explore this tag" to see others images tagged with "self-portraits". **
  • to categorize my image
    screenshots for example
  • to group images
    well, probably you don't like to create a new album for every set or collection of pictures you made, i use a unique tag here like "20070930_walk" (date_title) for a walk outside on september 30th.
  • to express and capture associations
    with some of my expressive images it's important for me to use the tag feature as some sort of braindump-area, i type whatever word comes to my mind, and it makes me feel a relief. this sounds weird, but it works for me and those who know me and my SPs by know, know that it is most important to read my tags coming along with the pictures to understand what it is about.
    Examples: one, two, three, four, five (not the best examples, but some...)

membertags
membertags
Member tags:
Ipernity also has "member tags" with which you can place notes on the picture showing where in that image a certain IPmember is seen for example. You can also remove the note but keep the membertag ( i usually do this if i do not want to derange the image with the note ). This is what makes docs appear on your homepage in "Latest docs about you" and "Latest posts about you", that's when some other member has added your membertag to some pic or post. This is a great feature, i have never seen before (no i do NOT use StudiVZ) but i have seen members here misuse this function to promote themselves by adding their own member tags to pictures they are not related with.

More tips and links:

  • Explore tags ( top tags this week, month, all time)
  • Find people near you: Use the map
  • Use RSS Feed for certain tag (keeps you posted on new docs tagged with a certain tag)
  • Search for colors like #CC0000
  • You can edit, replace and delete tags. i.e. old flickr tags you don't want anymore. Look here.

tag: coffee
tag: coffee
edit tags at ipernity
edit tags at ipernity

* i wish tags that have been added by others would appear in a different color or with a certain icon, sometimes people add tags that "destroy" the meaning or they anything else i would not like to have there. I DO want others to tag my images, cause i am out for dialogue not monologue or arrogant, selfish posting! Still i would love to have this enhanced. @team :-)

** i know a lot of pro-photographers here don't tag their images, cause they don't want their images to be stolen. well i had some talk about this with tobitobi and others. I prefer using Creative Commons licenses. (If you have questions about CC, you can also ask Nicole or Kai.) Think that those who would steal images will still do, no matter if you add tags like "(c)" and "all rights reserved" in capitals with exclamation marks.The license is mentioned on the page anyway. So those that heed licenses will find it and accept it. If you don't use tags you also block out those positive people that possibly look for this exact picture, for whatever (legal) reason. To share their thoughts and maybe professional statements or maybe even buy your picture or ask you to do some shooting for them. Believe it or not even i as a non-pro was asked for selling pictures or join a project through pictures i uploaded at flickr or here. This would never have happened if i wouldn't be so open with my stuff.

Anyway, i think posting all your pictures with "all rights reserved" is not what websites and communties like ipernity are about nowadays. To me (!) it's about sharing, communication, networking, dialogue, support, friends, ...

It's totally okay if you are of another opinion. I just wanted to try to explain my point of view, my thoughts after using tags and tagging and sharing my things online on a lot of sites now for years. To me there are more pros than cons. Maybe some people just dont change their preferences concerning licenses and don't use tags because they don't know why and how.

Final words:
I hope this article helps some. Feel free to add appropriate tags to my pictures and docs, i see it as a support and dialogue! Please don't add member tags to docs you are not related to.

If you have other reasons why and how or why not to use tags , please comment!

coming up next... "why fav, why comment... it's (not) all about support".



23 Comments / add your comment?

t2helsinki says:
Great article, Sascha!
[...although I already knew everything! Will I really get a "Web2.0"-Pro some day? :-) ]
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
t2helsinki edited this comment 2 years ago.
assbachpro replies:
guess you already are :)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink / translate )
aze.pro says:
i'm just a lazy girl :P
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
assbachpro replies:
:D
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Sherry ~ Rebujito says:
Thank you Sascha I really love all this information! It IS helpful...one thing that bugs me about my tags is...when I add them sometimes I'm saying something *I think* is important to say...but the tags appear out of order...and then make little sense...also YES I love the idea of tags left by others being in different color or something...because sometimes for example when *you* leave tags on my pics....and people don't know you left the tag...then if you have said something like for example *brother in heart* on a pic of Seth...you see you and I know you left it...and what it means...but others are thinking *I* left it and LOL may be thinking, what the hell does she mean by that...but like you I LOVE for people to not only comment but leave tags as well...it's all about sharing here for me too! Great post! very imformative!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
assbachpro replies:
yes, you are right, this was something i had in mind to write about as well, but i forgot :D
i mean at flickr, the tags are listed in the order you type them, not alphabetically or something. this was better for me.

and ... exactly what you said about the tags by others!

maybe the team will let me / us know their opinion.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Doomshammer says:
Sauber!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
assbachpro replies:
dankeschön!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
thoduepro says:
precise and helpful - thanks a lot.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
226 says:
ich gebe mir ja jetzt mühe ;)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink / translate )
HarryBo73 says:
Bei mir steht jezt auch das "Triptychon" als Tag :-)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
_::_ says:
... as discussed before, i do want to prevent my images to be found outside of Ipernity.
Tagging is OK for stock photography if you want to help CUSTOMERS not thieves to find your images.
In general I agree it would be cool to have some tags to know what's up with the image

imho
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
assbachpro replies:
i wonder if there are any ways to find our pictures "outside" of ipernity (api?) - this would also have some other security aspects, regarding the latest "buzz" about flickr&orkut. children pictrues in orkut profiles. see.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
_::_ replies:
I don't care about what a website owner tells about security. Anyone can search images on any platform and steal them.

"(I wonder if there are any ways to find our pictures "outside" of ipernity (api?)" .....
naiv question isn't it?

log out- got ipernity.com - type a word- and hit search ...... anyone can find anything, just based on tags.

This is not a selling plattform its a WEB2.0 plattform!

regarding children pictures:

I totally agree that it is NOT ok! In NO way!
but:
There are always sick people which will do that. That is a social problem. We all use that medium internet. Now we have to deal with consequences. Too bad, I agree, but reality too!

I always wonder how naiv people deal with this things. Maybe I'm paranoid or what ever but that is reality..... insider YOUR & MY house too because you are connected to the www./
You know the German TV advertising regarding "protecting children" against the dangers in WWW? This is how it works..... and this is only the beginning!
I will drop you some personal lines to that theme, which I think about for a couple of days....

So what's the deal? Should the government protect us?
As Flickr did that (protect us against "porn") a loud scream came up! "We are all grown up and can handle that on our own...." Bla Bla Bla.... That was called censorship then.....

-------------
I know, hard word, my english is too bad to word that correctly, hope not to be too misunderstood....
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
assbachpro replies:
thank you !

i dont think people that misuse / steal pictures in masses use the manual search. but you are right. this way / possibility will always be there.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
assbachpro replies:
thanks a lot for your mial tobias,
we should publish some advices for parents maybe.
how to protect children.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
mrs.becca says:
Thanks for this post, it's interesting to read what other members think of it!
(I use tags, but often I am lazy or I can't think of anymore words I could tag the images with... ;))

I agree with the thing that tags left by other people should be in another color or with an icon or whatever.
Sometimes I use tags to say something about the picture that is not so important or serious that I don't want to write it as description - in that case tags left by others can be confusing for others or change the meaning... And sometimes there are tags left by others, I would not use myself (e.g. "sexy")... so... I delete them... (I wouldn't do that if it was apparent that someone else left this tag).
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
mrs.becca edited this comment 2 years ago.
assbachpro replies:
exactly! thanks for your comment! :)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Roberto Ballerini - travelingpro says:
Important article, Sascha.

My opinion about member tags: I asked the Team to give as more than one type of member tags: you can use it to draw the attention on the doc/post ("this is dedicated to you" or "Team: look here!"), you can use it to give info on who is present on a doc/post relates to me/you as you stated in your article, you can use it as a pinpoint to help you re-find a doc/post...
I used the latest to keep trace of pseudo-groups I was interested in, as an example.
My 2 cents.
--
Seen in a user home page (?)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Michaelpro says:
Hmm, my self-portraits are tagged with "me", not "self-portrait".

Apart from that I am only consistent in putting city/country in the tag and HDR if its an HDR.

The event specific tags seem a bit too much for me as I could look things up by date, but since you use this as storage your requirements probably differ.

There is also a multi-lingual problem here since many people use their native language (tag munich vs. münchen).

65% of all ipernity "self-portrait" tagged pictures are yours... Very revealing :)
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
MacGuffinpro says:
hey friend...today i want to geo tagging some of my outdoor shots....do you know how???...tx
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
MacGuffinpro replies:
DocManager..i got it....
geotagging is nice too
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
assbachpro replies:
yes right
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )

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