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A lot of people are still comparing flickr to ipernity and back. Nicole posted her thoughts here and there are a lot of comments about this all over here. There is the public wishlist and suggestions of members. (more)
I know the team is making a wonderful job, working hard for us and i love how close they stay to us! This is worth so much. Making me feel comfy and home a lot. I spend many many hours a day here, just like i did back at flickr, it's become my favorite website. Yes it has.
Surfing and hanging around in those social networks, online communities is part of my job and I love it but it's hard to be present and active in more than 2-3 i think, it's so time-consuming and energy-draining (thanks for that word Sherry!) My daily must-haves at the moment are ipernity, twitter and google reader.
Well, ok, so long for all the bla-bla, now what's the point Mr. Aßbach?
Comparing ipernity to flickr (the community) to me means:
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- few daily visits (4000 in 3 months)
- few faves only
- hard to find like-minded people
- hard to be found by like-minded people
- hard to hit explore
- a lot of comments and posts here are not according to images and the words along them, but merely conversations on whatever topic ( not bad just different )
Why is that? Assumptions:
- groups are still missing ( like-minded people find eachother and build new communities, can share
- the possibility to make "yourself" invisible closes doors , a lot of people tend to "spy" and don't leave traces, i KNOW there are more than 4 visitors/day in my stream, but the script tells me so. i am not sure if this influences the statistics as well
- i assume germans, and europeans maybe are not that open in general, or have problems sharing thoughts in public / online ( i had mostly american friends at flickr through 365 etc). i know that some people think "why should i write this in your comments when i can talk to you on the phone or so - i can tell you cause it helps others as well)
- a lot of people don't know how to use the features, because of an overload maybe. i have seen a lot of people not using albums at all. when i visit someone new, i check their profile to read about them, then look at their albums to see if there are some interesting things, self-portraits or soemthing. on the other hand, if new people come visit me in the "wrong moment" they will find a lot of uninteresting screenshots, kidpix or metal-music, what will probably make them disappear in a second and they will never come back. if they had a chance.- no if I had a chance to decide what my homepage shows, and how my albums are sorted, wow that would be so great... don't you think
- some people post hundreds of pictures a day, so following your friends' new posts is a hard job sometimes. i will tell you how I do that later, there are a few ways but i see room for improvement as well. making it easier to stay in touch and informed about what your contacts and like-minded people ar doing.
- time is rare for everybody , you have to assign priorities where to go and leave comments
- the ones that have added me as a friend are not really interested
running out of thoughts now and getting tired but...
Groups are announced for September 17th, that is next monday 
i am so excited...
i wonder if this will change soemthing here...
would like to hear your thoughts if you would like to share and have time! :)
One thing.... one request i have
if you have any idea or if you are one of those not commenting (i don't mean my stream only, this is a general question), you'd help me a lot if you give me a hint why you don't. you know... thinking ain't easy at times. knowing is better than thinking wrong. i am trying to understand, and it is such a relief when you finally understand something even if it might hurt. trust me 
why is this important to me?
cause i learned that my pictures and words, my openess, my honesty, my caring is helping people deal with their own shit. it's not so much about myself. dialogue is important, communication is important, sharing is. that's why i am posting this, not because i am down because of this or so fuckin self-centered or something. :)
final word: i love this place! and i am glad i found it... :)
assbachpro says:
this brought the picture to explore. and that again is living proof to one of the things i mentioned above. heheheh. LOL
Sherry ~ Rebujito replies:
t2helsinki says:
As I have stated at the end of your 365 I am most probably "one of those not commenting". Or, more precise, I certainly comment on your or other's stuff but I do not comment very often...
Some more or less very personal reasons for that:
=> My "commenting frequency" here is very similar to my "commenting frequency" in real world, i.e. I am not the one shouting out my very first impression. I think/reflect (too) much about everything. I always try to consider the other side as well. I want to have a somehow complete picture of a thing before commenting on it which certainly keeps me from spontaneous comments/reactions. I do not suffer from that (because I think I deal more justly that way...) but I know that this behaviour often appears as disinterest of indifference. Ask my wife...
=> Thinking more of the comments in a community like ipernity I sometimes have difficulties in adding the tenth comment saying: "Wonderful pic, good job, cute kids,...": If it was said before and if I can not add a different aspect I most probably will not comment at all. At school I never raised my hand just to say: "Miss teacher, I wanted to answer the same...."
=> Thinking of "good, nice, pink" vs. "bad, dark, black" things/pictures: Yes, it is easier for me to comment on pictures of the first category. I tried to explain it at your 365 and it fits to the first reason I mentioned above: If I do not have the impression to have a more or less complete view of a thing, I will not comment but keep on gathering information or reflecting about it. For "dark pictures" I normally suppose that there is more behind than just a picture with dark tones (A "good" example for that are Sara's posts...).
=> Of course it is easier - at least for me - to laud a good photo than to find faults with a bad one. As long as it is not explicitly requested by the photographer I would not criticise a picture.
Okay, this should last for the next ten omitted comments from me... ;-)
Micha
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HA! This is great...I should use it sometimes...you say this:
At school I never raised my hand just to say: "Miss teacher, I wanted to answer the same...."
Thats a good one...YOU! :)) But let me say this...it is more like going to school...and seeing your friend who has a cool new shirt on and saying..."like the shirt dude!" Even though he heard it 20 times before you got there! ;))
Thanks for answering...really. I have long questioned these same thoughts as Sascha's as well.
And btw...you have such great points, are brillinat and are quite hilarious. Not just right now but since I have known you...I wish you would share more of yourself. You just have so much to offer to others. I think people need that....not just from you but from everyone else. I can't think of what I am trying to say.....maybe because it's 4:30am here....effin' shitfire.....Bottom line...you add so much to a post...you should try to do so more. I mean look at your comment here...effin' awesome man. Okay...that's all peace! HEHEHEHe
assbachpro replies:
assbachpro replies:
you were one of those i KNEW why they don't comment, still i am happy you put it up here again, thanks for that. i totally accept personal reasons and i do not want to change someone and force someone to comment or fave my shit. i only want to understand whats different here, socially and maybe technically. and hearing what others think, what my contacts and friends think is important to me.
i NEED a dialogue, i am not blogging in my blog because i want to just broadcast something, i love socalled feedback ( i hate that word, cause it is misused in german business talk alot ) , dialogue, discussion, i want to learn from the crowd here, from individuals, i wanna know what they think about me as a person not only my pictures, this STILL is part of my therapy.
and i am STILL happy about all the criticism i can get to see clearer to maybe set straight some thing i have seen wrong or whatever...
i don't mean i am out for compliments only, NO i "love" when people are so open and say what they mean when they think i am talking bullshit or my pictures are really bad or whatever.. you know?
i dont comment all pictures i see as well, my wife asks me why i dont comment her sexy pictures, ... well that is because i think it is strange to be one among the other users here that says probably the same and i can tell her my opinion in real life. BUT i am wrong here and i know that, cause what did i say before?
the comments that i leave and others leave here might be interesting others and might support the community thing, the social thing, the therapy thing.
i will post more about this later in a new blogpost.
The fact you comment in english sometimes shows that you ARE willing to be part or support the community right? and i appreciate that a lot. you are helping me with your rare comments and funny mails and all that, believe me.
thank you very much!
... says:
YOU CAN GET YOUR POINT ACROSS WITHOUT CUSSING!
Teeheeheeee.....even though you slipped one in at the end..you don't do like I do...I guess my emotions just take over.
Anyhow...shouldn't you be on Ipernity Team or something as their..."Spiritual Advisor" HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA or something.....
Okay...i may get to commenting on your thoughts...but not right now...it's too early and you are too deep. :000000 Did i say that? Sorry....lmfao! Going now...
assbachpro replies:
i HOPE i can get my point across, so good you say that! thanks a lot
assbachpro says:
ipernity.com/blog/annjin/20777
Bigoode [Degel] says:
but i'm sure of one thing !
when we'll have groups !
we'll find another "problem" !
i think the most important is to "be alive" all together on Ipernity
groups or anything else won't really help us to be "more happy of comments etc"
check my stream, i'm not a great artist....
but.. i've many visits on main page ! (the count is only for main page, it'll change later they told me)
why ?
not for the quality of my photos
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so !
?
Shine on !
a pleasure to know people like you , and who make beautifull photos
Shine on
Gäbii (öffline if not önline) replies:
Bigoode [Degel] replies:
I'm far from always happy !!
and i'm unhappy with many things here down on earth
but here, it's my pleasure, my hobbies (i mean around photography)
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so i want to do all i can to stay happy and enjoy my time here
... replies:
I know that I don't think it's a "problem", but I did think there were some problems when I first came over here some months back. But the IP team has worked their asses off trying to give "us" what we ask for and to make it better for us. They have done a great job at that. I think they would like our opinion as well...they want more people here because it's business to them. They want to know what works...what doesn't work...what will attract more people, ya know? Hmmm...i think that's all I need to say...if not i'll be back. :) Thanks!
assbachpro replies:
Bigoode [Degel] replies:
but it appear my english isn't great...
sorry for that, i'll try to improve it asap !
Shine on
assbachpro replies:
Bigoode [Degel] replies:
Shine on
NICOLEBRUNI says:
i don't know what it is, but i just find flickr easier to navigate, which makes it easier to keep up on streams and comment, etc..
i can't even explain why i feel that so i'm sure it's just me, and that will get better in time as i use ipnernity more.
assbachpro replies:
Julian says:
I know I am one of the guilty ones, I peruse your photos from time to time but don't often comment. Part of that is due to my trying to keep both Flickr and Ipernity going, along with all my other on-line pursuits... a number of reasons for that, which I won't get into here. Another reason is what Nicolebruni said, it's harder to navigate and keep track of stuff here. I often wish I had more time to myself to be able to take the time I really want to peruse and comment... for example, I shouldn't really be on here right now as I have way too much on my plate! But if I don't comment now... I just won't comment!
Sometimes I post very personal stuff publicly, delete it later, or post privately, and still delete it later. Sometimes my comments are like that, I want to say certain things but would rather not say them publicly so I just don't. For me, I'm very aware of how public you really are on-line. I've seen stuff surface of mine and others that was long ago deleted, yet is mirrored somewhere else and still exists on-line. So you do have to be careful. I guess it comes down to how open you are, and how open you pretend to be (I refer to myself there).
As an aside, I am recently quite disturbed by some of the new sites arising that collect info on you and then rate you from it. It even allows others to come in and rate you. This "rating" is then public! I think that is wrong! These sites claim that they have the right to do this as all the information they collect is public. Yes, it is... but in some cases it is public in a private kind of way... and certainly not posted for it to become a way to rate a person!
Hmmm... sorry Sascha... I forgot, this is your blog not mine! What was your question again? LOL!
assbachpro replies:
and concerning the collection if data and all that - i don't have any problem with this if it is of any advantage for me. meaning, if it helps me make my work better, faster, get organized, have all things at one place, be informed, communicate, whatever they do and A LOT of these sites help me this way. since i am using these "web2.0" services a great part of my life has become easier and more fun,. the sites usually ASK you if it is ok for you. Only problem i have is keeping my children out... i know i should rather not post to much info about them. sick people out there.
MacGuffinpro says:
assbachpro replies:
picsbymac says:
When I first joined this site I had time to visit/comment. Then I got busy. Then I had more time and was around more often. The past two weeks or more I've had very little time to visit the site...haven't made photos much either...some days I barely have time to eat.
Now when I do have time to look, many times I'm just scrolling through the thumbnails shown on 'recent uploads' from my network...so if view counts are important to my network unfortunately they aren't getting them this week...I trust that they understand that stuff happens and if they don't 'see' me on their visitors page, that they'll know I'll be around later to catch up.....groups won't change any of this for me.
assbachpro replies:
i just hope that the time the ip-team is spending on the group feature is not in vain, maybe i am the only one looking forward for groups. well, and if i am the only one using them - wow :)
picsbymac replies:
assbachpro replies:
Roberto Ballerini - travelingpro says:
I want to tell you my feelings.
1. lots of comments in Flickr came from award groups;
2. Flickr has 10000 times the users of Ipernity; adding this to the presence of groups, for statistical reasons it's more difficult for us to take trace of visitors missing and missing comments;
3. Ipernity has blogs and reading blogs consume a big deal of time making more little teh slot of time left to shots, but I'm here for shots, so I prefer to look at more shots and give almost only faves, than using time for writing repetitive comments and look at less shots;
4. Ipernity is a less English-centered community than Flickr; I can understand English, French, Spanish and Italian, but there are lots of Germans that always write in German (and rarely I can understand something); I don't love to comment without understanding the content of previous contents;
5. when I started we where very few and I had very few contacts, then I had the time to visit my contacts and randomly visiting streams, using the content of favorites of my contacts; now I have more contacts here than on Flickr and it's impossible for me to look at all their streams;
6. last docs and posts from my network is the only aspect of Ipernity that is really inferior to Flickr: it uses only the logged contacts and I can't establish a limit to the number of shots for contact I see; I have contacts that upload dozens of shots at a time and are always logged in
OK. Too long to add more details.
I randomly visit my last visitors streams. I randomly look at my contacts more recent shots. I randomly look at the front page shots and buddy icons. That's my living strategy on Ipernity.
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Seen in a user home page (?)
assbachpro replies:
TideSurferpro says:
The reproach of not caring, well, if you see it that way, but I personally am not so much after just leaving a mark to let people know I was there by saying "hey nice pic" or something. (Vielleicht bin ich wirklich zu norddeutsch...)
You are highly creative which I am not (and you are sharp-minded like hell). I am just here pointing the camera at something I think is intresting and click, if others like the pictures for a reason, ok, if not I can live with that. And sometimes I am really surprised at what people REALLY look at.
The flaws you point out up there I do not hesitate to put my signature at.
I add people to my contact list when I am curious what they "serve" next. Your skills on PS are just amazing and your self portraits always worth a visit. Of course, there is always a little hope that "the target" replies the contact. If not it's "Bookmarking" so to say. Contact to me means to me at least 2-way-communication. If the other is not replying your call, why talking to a wall? You're looking at a showcase then.
I think as from Monday on things will drastically change when people can hook up through groups and find folks with same intrests etc.
-Kristian
assbachpro replies:
yes , you're right Kristian, it should be a 2-way-communication. absolutely, but i guess there are a few different reasons why people have contacts. if i had the time i would stop by at everyone of my contacts sites daily but it's not like that. i usually check "latest docs & posts" in thumbnail mode. and click on pictures i find interesting. then i check all of my family & friends pictures. mostly forgetting to check the blogposts and audio/video uploads. but doing this i can skip the "bbq" shots ( which i like sometimes :)) without missing some nice ones i want to fave ans comment to support the photographer/artist/friend/contact...
TideSurferpro replies:
Danypro says:
Another point of view (personnal one) : I like to walk around (and do it often), I don't feel the need for or give comment , specialy if I don't like... the author love his foto, or thinks he can tell something with it ..so what if I didn't capture that...
Roberto Ballerini - travelingpro says:
Can you let me know her new nick? Thanks.
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el tiburon says:
assbachpro replies:
llynus says:
this may be redundant, but if you're still wondering why some people don't leave comments... well ,to me it seems unnecessary to just repeat what other people have already said-sometimes repeatedly - so if i don't have anything constructive to say i may not leave a comment- it seems shallow to say something just for the sake of it, and maybe no comment is better than a negative one, especially where i don't know the photographer. However I do try to have something sensible to say most of the time, because viewing and running seem a bit like going through someone's house without saying a word!
As to your other point, I'm new to both flickr and ipernity, but i've found the community here to be much warmer, and have better quality,closer and more frequent communication with people here (which probably leads to me spending more time here hence better relationships and so it goes...) I don't mind having a low headcount, but i really enjoy finding out what people think (and how they do their images)
Oh, I'm glad groups are here, but don't miss awards and bling- hope they don't come too.
^-^