to all that want to quit ipernity

you mean evolve?? what's with him??

i mean EVERYONE now, it's so easy to make someone an admin instead spending hour or so just removing everyone from the group and closing it... well, i don't want to be rude, but what the hell is going on? if people are so tired of this place, ok. they are adult and can go, but fuck! why they think that i will be so glad to be admin of another group? geeeeeeeeeeeez... i'm angry.

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sorry if i'm getting inbetween , but i don't understand why you
don't simply close that group , if you don't want keep another
one being the responsible ... ? just a thought that i had

i did, but making me an admin and making me responsible for closing other groups is just unfair.
do you know how it looks? you must remove every member. it took me hours. if someone had the idea, created the group and so someone should think of deleting group and not making others admins .... is it so complicated?

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no .. sorry - i didn't know about this . i have some groups too , but i didn't close
one yet . thought there's an easier way to close a group . i was wondering why
i was removed from this group , why he left etc -
well .. then i can totally understand you're angry with him . wish you a better time
now and a sunny day -

there is NO OTHER way to close the group, everyone must go, and you just removing member by member. people find it very easy to just go away, don't think of others at all, one email with simple question would make a difference...
but, as i said, people prefer to just run away...
thank you! it is very fresh and sunny in glasgow!
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My apologizes M., for the trouble. And everything. On a general note, perhaps it should not be so that the next in line of group members are automatically appointed as admin when all admins leaves a group (however I would like to stress that this is not the case here as I am still standing as the sole admin for the group in question & will myself take the responsibility for the closing of the group).

it wasn't the first time... and because i considered M-evolve as friend i expected that he will ask me first, well, i was wrong. i'm always wrong about people it seems. i'm very bitter now...

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I understand. However I don't want to discuss other peoples decisions in public. There's always more to things than meet the eye, as you know. I'll send you a mail.

a lot of people quit ipernity, a lot will quit. if someone has the need to go, than ok, but i don't want be the one that must be responsible for their groups anymore. i have my own groups.
and public discussion about that is needed. and about that WHY people quit. personally i will quit in no time when i will have to pay yahoo or any other crap.
ipernity is pretty silent lately. i've been offline 6 weeks and it's more like graveyard full of lurkers, no-one leaves comments, they JUST WATCH... i said it before but i will repeat that again: I HATE LURKERS! if someone can't find my pics worth commenting why the hell one is watching them?
NOTE TO ALL:
if you don't like my work just remove me from your contacts and it will make my life much easier.
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To discuss why people leave in general I'm all for. I even made a blog post about that.

Iper is silent. Very much so. Its happening all over the site.

I've never been a member that has been too active. The last few weeks - I guess - I've been even less active, but that has nothing to do with ipernity. Real life called for some attention and I listened. (School, friends, family, scouting...)

I don't know if anyone has use for this comment. I just tried to make transparent the behaviour of at least one user. For me it was like waking up from winter sleep, seeing how much things there were to do. Maybe for others, too...

we all have our problems and sometimes life make us act strange. but i really don't get why people suddenly changed their minds. everyone is free to go. i just HATE LURKERS and HATE when someone makes me responsible for something without asking.
and yes! i will be angry when something like that happens again!
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i hate groups where everyone is the administrator. i've seen that scenario go bad too many times .
just my two cents regarding groups.

indeed.

Looks like Annjin is gone too. =(

In deed, I noticed today and its a great pity. Anyone knows why she left?

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i just saw it ... what's going on here ? don't get this
movement ... i think it's a pitty - and i'll miss the work
and the dialogue

people come and go on the web. you're stuck with me. i don't delete.

i will if there will be yahoo here.

If you look at the list of the groups I'm admin of, I thik you can understand HOW MUCH i support your "rudeness"... ;-)

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bah! and that's the problem... people joining groups and then don't watch even one single pic. and if they want to go, you are all alone with mess they left behind...

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Cruel world...

stupidity and irresponsibility rather...

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You shouldn't bother so much...
Let these groups live their own lives...
Your "responsability" is only a virtual one, no matter leaving a few "dead" pages more on tne worldwide web. You should concentrate on the ipernity positive aspects and forget the other ones.

Life's too short to get excited on insignificances...

it's about ethics...

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I disagree, what you're talking about isn't ethics but -in a certain way- suffering...
One thing is the way other people are acting, another one is what you feel: don't take care about what you don't have to if it makes you feel that bad way.

not for me, but maybe i am not sophisticated enough for some artists here. i studied philosophy, i know definitions, but most of all i am ordinary human being and i just don't like such situations. i'm not suffering, i'm just angry. it is a big difference.

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That could be an interesting discussion if my english vocabulary was richer!
But maybe my philosophy studies too are too far away ;oD

i will NEVER learn french, forget it :D but you can learn polish :P (polish is easy :D)

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Ha! ha! You mean I should learn Polish and Philosophy?
I'm afraid that's too much for me ;oD

By the way, I never suggested you to learn French ;o)
I just pointed the difficulties we would have to argue on serious subjects ;o)

webcam option ;] you can use gestures even :D (polish is much more interesting than philosophy anyway ;))

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;oD

about Lurkers, i just read a comment on your last photo about leaving a message, and then i remembered why i don't always leave comments. it's not for lurking, but sometimes, well, i don't have inspiration and i don't feel like writing something superficial like 'great' or 'nice'... i could write this to hundreds of photos and it wouldn't come from the heart. i'm sure lots of people come see your photos and really appreciate them, but leave comments only when they find something original to say, or when the photo - or something in it - moves them more than other photos - which is very personal... so, this explains some uncommented visits...
sometimes i just look in a hurry, give a vote and continue family business of other...(my son is very demanding, ...) but i do wonder where all the anonimous visiters come from.

Same for me...

... and for me, too. :-)

i don't want to be original, i want to show people that i like their work. i'm not an artist and i don't want to pretend one. i am the way i am. but because we share i expect that people will share their thoughts as well... but maybe i'm too demanding :)

oh, sis, don't get too angry. not everybody is as eloquent as to expressing their thoughts. and i'm sure there's also people admiring and feeling they are too 'small' to leave their humble comment, out of pure respect. then, there's some people who only comment when they want to give positive critique or a hint in some way, hence, silence means approval.
others may say "great" (or similar) all the time for all the photos they like and remain silent on others. but it says only little - though - of course, i also like that.
well, there's lots of people with lots of characters and styles; i don't know the average comment/view rate, maybe 1 comment in every 4, 5 or 6... visits, sometimes even 1/10?
keep up, sis. enjoy your regular visitors; friends like shi*, rafaln, ...
if all people that see all of your photos all leave comments, you'd have a full-time-job thanking them!
*hug*

bro, it's just i HATE lurkers! and i HATE that people always think that because i am nice person in general they can throw something on me. i don't agree for that. i'm not nice sometimes and i'm rather demanding especially from myself. and because i used to check all my groups and tried to leave comments i thought it would be just good example. it turned up pretty bad for me so now i'm gonna be "zimna sunia" :)
really, i don't think that i was expecting "too much", only a bit of respect. so, it made me angry and because i am the way i am i don't feel any need to hide that. i'm always honest, if one doesn't like, here is an option "block this user"...

i understand, sis! and you're good the way you are!

:* thank you bro!

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Just to let you know I was here and lurked this blog, because I was looking for some answers :)

bah ;)) so there are lurkers with ability to comment ;)) (though i'm not sure about answers ;))
greetings from glasgow!
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I can understand you very well your frustration about the admin thing.
But if I am honest I never know why you make the things at Internet so important for yourself. Sure some things are not so in a nice way... but hey... that isn't real life!!!

I also could be angry with you it's ages ago you visited my page and left a comment. But I am not angry cause there are things which are much more important.

Try to think more positve or try to stop thinking about things which don't deserve too much attention. Use your power for better things in your lfie!

And sorry for disturbing with inviting you to my group "Kids and Photography". ;o)

well, you didn't like my way of commenting so i stopped :) that's all, i'm not the type that will go where she is not wanted :)
for me important is some form in interpersonal relationship. there was no form in this case, and i was really surprised and angry.
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the first thing: It's so easy to say that now...
the second: yes relationship should not have such an ending...

ad. 1: well, it was obvious for me then, it still is in a way :)
ad. 2: even virtual... but it's easier to just go away when it's net-thing, i suppose. i experienced it several times already and i'm really tired of people acting this way. i don't want to be responsible for others anymore.
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i agree with all members = all admin. it bothered me too, but then, i thought of turning of all notifications and i had peace again. and once in a while i send an invitation or so to the group, so it's quite okay... or rephrased, i learned to live with it.

I'm getting bored with groups ;o)

i like mpph only because it is alive, and because it's mine ;)

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Hey you're still here!
You didn't quit!
I knew there would be good news today ;oD

Have a good night!

Of course mpph is a great group (not as great as mine, but a good one ;oD)

i will when you allow yahoo to mess up with things (so far i'm pretty happy about ipernity, even if angry with some people ;))
sweet dreams ;))
(mpph is da best! pfffffffff!)
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thanks for this blog entry. all I would have to say is already said ... in a better english than mine. :-)

Have not read everything, but if the last admin leaves the group the new admin is chosen automatically, I think it's the oldest member of the group.

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i was chosen, without asking...
but anyway: if someone created the group, should close it as well!

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some one put me on as an administrator for a group, Initially I ignored it, soon tons of people were joining and I felt the fear that if people were associating me with a group I did not create, that there's some serious misrepresentation going on here. Lurkers were a great punk band circa 76/77 English punk. I like them. The lead singer is dead and that may be the reason that Ipernity is dead except for mpph. My video group started with 16 members and everyone except one of the administraitors dropped out. The guy who created the group dropped out.
I do not know what the yahoo is about but yahoo is the reason we're here, thank god for yahoo? But on flickr now those bastards are gonna rip off the video aesthetic we have over here now, One and two minute videos. We put an awful lot of work into creating this platform and yahoo obviously has been lurking on the Ipernity sight to rip the avant guard off. Probably the best way to mess up the video flickr jive is to make longer videos over here. Post a link over there and say, sorry suckers flickr is a half ass imitation of the real deal non art imaging collective called Ipernity. Keep those "artists" over there. I'm not much of a groupie, pretty much have my hands full for one minute a day, and this weekend I and sick, so instead of lurking I've,... gotta get out and make another vid.

oh, in 76 i was born ;) so the only kind of lurkers i know is this special kind ;]] (and i hate ;))
but i agree that ipernity IS much much muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better :))
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seen in my account and recent activity etc,... I don't know how all that works, obviously people gey around being seen etc,... is that the lurk jerks? or is it the people who show up there and don;t comment? Hmm,... I read that myspace has a my spy attatchment that enables you to see how long people view the space and what they check out. Now I'm paranoid that it's like this everywhere. some one clue me in on this please. Lurk sluthe dot com whatever;)

i just don't understand people that are just "watching" :/ or some of them adding me as contact but never ever left a comment or fave... it is more than strange to me, but pffffffffffffffff
i will lurk your stream soon :D (btw, it's new conspiracy theory maybe? lurkers are everywhere and watching? ;))
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It's starting to creep me out, not the lurkers on line, but all the people just watching, and they point their cameras around. Some of them are official Lurkers, paid by the state to lurk and make sure no one is publicly having any fun. I'd just assoon they keep thier faves to themselves and shut up. God it is a conspiracy. Soon people will get used to the strange social interaction engineered here and they will start acting like this for real in the city square! Maybe they already do, I stay out of the public scene loads more since everyone started getting pissy about it all, ha, but I live in a small town with serious growing pains, idenity crisis ville, the internet makes everyone feel international. But it's really global claustrophobia. It's worse on other web forums. Ipernity is the cite that will break through the wave of paranoia, others will follow. Pretty soon all the lurkers will unmask and run through the streets naked. I seem to have lost the initail focus for this group? Do not make me administrator, thanks?

naked? błech! not in glasgow please ;)) that would cause mental problems for sure ;))

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good posting. Thanks for reminding me.

I'm one of the culprits (in other groups).

Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa...

heh ;]]

I didn't even know there was such a movement going on ;) But how should I, haven't been here for some weeks and I quite don't like groups.

i like groups a lot, but people seem just post and run, without even lurking... what is strange... :/
lurking is strange too ;)
i always try to find something that i like and leave one comment :) or fave :) or both :D
what makes me even more angry: people who just post invitations to group (mostly they are "invitationonly" and/or "rules" groups) without any comment, this is just like spam for me :/ sometimes i invite only too, but really, if i comment on several other pics in the stream i can just sometimes add only invitation...
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i'm in too many groups. I just want to get in a band, forget about all the photography

i want photography ;)
i'm too old for bands ;))
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Probably I am too old for bands and have deluded myself for the last year or so that some day I'll find people who share the same lack of promise and the same disreguard for what was perpetuated by the now retiring "baby boomers" When I was born they were young and by the time I got in a band all that I heard on the radio was boomer music. Post boomer music, by the way "PUnK" is late boomer music bah, is now begining to surface via internet. The thing is though, it was "that" generation who made the big thing about being young. They are the ones who plant all the jive about 50 being the new 25 etc,... and I love them for it. Because if fifty is the new twenty five, I'm 18. Maybe I can enlist in the army? Too bad they're not drafting my age. yep too old to play in a band. Same with photography though, Cartier Bresson, Robert Frank Berenice Abbot, Diane Arbus etc,... had fascinating early careers in photography, but all dropped out in one way or another becoming parodies of themselves and or a photographic versions of the Rolling Stones. I'm too old. I'm told. Miles Davis was never too old? I'm not him. So yeah, maybe I won't ever get a band together. I'm done with everything I am too old. But since I've hung out with 80 year olds all my life, perhaps I'll never grow up.

you are MAN what means you can start even in 10 years ;) woman, age 32, with horrible slavic accent and without plastic-whatever-you-can-have-plastic is doomed ;))
anyway, i guess i prefer to hide behind lenses ;)
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Your slavic accent is 90 miles an hour. Eastern European female voices are the new blues. I've been trying to fake a slavic accent for a couple of years now, and maybe in ten years I'll have it down. Last couple of years it was asian female vocals, slavic is next.

bah, and some scottish men learn polish :D
world is really strange :D:D:D
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Scottish men are nearly indecipherable. I like the Scottish bands though: Mogwai, Primal Scream, Fire Engines, Jesus and the Marychain, in particular. I probably don't know any others, but when Scots sing, I can kind of get what they are saying, it's just the talking bit that escapes me. Scots learning Polish reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail where a Scotsman is acting like a Frenchman before they start catapulting cows over the castle walls at Sir Lancelot?

ahahaha :D i love holy grail movie :D i should buy for sure :D
scottish bands are popular mostly somewhere else, not in scotland ;)
you know what? guy in the shop asked me yesterday: "are you form Europe?" :D
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Local apathy may be a key ingredient to great bands. Always stay in a town where you are not a star, then you can work and won't develop a puffed out ego. It's funny, I watched that movie in highschool as a part of a western civilization course. Then I dropped out of highschool. Are you from Europe? The accent is kind of a give away. In town I hear a lot more Europeans sounding talk.... Funny maybe Scots feel as though they are so much a part of the west that Europe doesn't exist this side of east Germany.

well, guy was definitely from India or Pakistan ;)
but it was strange anyway :D because UK is Europe? or am i wrong... ;))
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This is debatable, at the last ever sexpistols concert (live at winterland sanfransisco)with sid vicious in it, rotton or jonesie says "this one is called anarchy in the uk, maybe sid say 'we mean the usa'" So it may be that since 1979 king vicious of brittania became part of the united states. I can't imaging singing along to Anarchy in the European community, we give the indians and pakis immunity. Any way china is the new empire. Anarchy in hong kong we rule the world it didn't take too long guh.

i'm reading "the master of rain" by tom bradby now ;) it's about anarchy in shanghai ;]]
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I knew it, That's so close to Hong Kong, it might as well be the same place. Same airspace.

yep!
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I googled and amazon'd the book. 1926 was the same year my mom was born. I like 1920's stuff, That's when I'd like to have been in my 20's thirties etc,... 40's?

not the best i've ever read but i'm still reading ;) if it's not for me i know after 30 pages ;))
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Gangsters Shanghai 1920's. Books are funny. Some are so dense it take a dictionary to get through each word. Probably the translations fault in the original language a breeze. My reading style in these Intenet times has been relegated to snippets. I'll read a whole book through but have at least one or two others going for commercial breaks. A guy at a bookstore said he worked it this way, One novel, One non fiction, one book of poems and I can't remember what else he said, but these all run simutaniously for him, Not two novels three books of poetry and nine different philosophical treatise at once. This really threw my personal psycology out the window. Basically I just copy everyone elses reading habits?

i have 4 books "in progress" now, but it can be disappointing for you: all are crime stories ;)) (ah, 5, proust as well ;))
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my mom read me pilgrams progress as a child. Proust? I don't even know this Proust poet? I've been looking at film books, because video makes the faux auter shine inside and I become unbearbly pretentious. Last crime book I read was Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood". Quite chilling. I have another of his started. The Paris Review interviews is incredible insight on how writers work. I've started volume one, and read about Proust in there...

proust is cool, you can read one chapter in a year and come back to the book after 3 years ;)
it's the same joy ;))
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That reminds me of my film as an art book, same thing, put it down and pick it up after a year and it's still at the bleeding edge of Idea making. Proust I will investigate soon.

no hurry, i'm mentally 95 :) so i like proust :) you can wait :)
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Alzheimer has been setting in since I was old enough to read and yet too illiterate to understand. I recall having to learn how to read all over again? Amnesia,... very confusing times, um but I think the Proust convolution skipped to another comment, you'll see.

Ah, I know what you mean. Got some of those in the beginning, but then it stopped. Finally!

:D ignoring won't help in my case ;))

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well, you are too popular then ;)

nah, some are just too stubborn and won't make effort to read my reply... pfffffff :/

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Hmm, does anybody wants to know the difference between Community and Communism?
A group is a group, not a party. No one was forced to do anything!

well, i was forced :) and because i was born in totalitarian country i know what communism looks like :) (
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