thieves?

For what I can understand, it isn't a thievery: this is a bookmarking site, as de.li.cio.us, specialized in shots; it is a way for this person to simply find again a shot he likes and there is the link back to your page

There is one of mine too (curiously the link back is to another one: pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/tag?id=roberto+ballerini&opt=tag&commit=Search

If you don't want it anyway, there is a Report Abuse button

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i reported, for me it's just bad and unfair! i don't want any strangers to use my pics this way!!! in fact that happened on fuckr too and they blocked all users that were stealing pics this way...

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i agree with Roberto, it's not actual stealing. if you have an account here you have the option of publishing your or other photos in a blog. but only then. signing up just to have a free photo source probably isn't illegal (even with all (c) restricitions) but it's a matter of good behaviour to ask. pixrat is a bookmarking site but it's publishing your photo on another place (even if it's just a thumbnail) so it's published without your agreement. regarding the way internet works today i think this a borderline case and only to solve with a discussion.

well... it's just sick to me.... and if someone wants to bookmark my pic should be logged in HERE and bookmark it as fave for example :/ i don't agree for using my pics without my permission ...
buaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! why people do this?

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it's called web2.0...

gez, but he/she logged here so why steal pics? she can fave it, and join community properly? right? so why such crap?

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Not stealing? Well, I think it's stealing, because Holly makes believe on pixRAT that the photos are hers.

Same happened for other IP-users. See:

check this out:

www.ipernity.com/doc/20822/998545
www.ipernity.com/doc/17623/999380
www.ipernity.com/doc/18589/999218

thank you!!

hmph!
Pixrat home says "Collect pictures of interest from webpages as you browse them, at the click of a button"
They have software to instal to do that- wonder if it bypasses the photosites' privacy restrictions.

and that's even more scary.... pi(x)rat home it is then...

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BTW you could try resetting your privacy settings
check out this discussion on the Unofficial Group site- so far as i know it still works...
www.ipernity.com/group/unofficialgroup/discuss/11693

may be a solution?

more scary than that magda, is perhaps they're robots and not even humans!
btw ... this is still only BETA !!

but well... when i have no cc license it means that all rights are reserved so when my photo appears somewhere else without my permission that's not good, if that "holly" ask i could understand, but she/he just informed me... and that's disgusting!!!

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I remember from flickr that a similar site got closed down pretty quick, no?

indeed! and they were all blocked the same day they appeared...

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well, every morning before i post i ask myself if i am a stupid idiot for publishing to the web...now that we are indexed on google as i've wished for, the chance of theft increases but so does the chance that i'll get some recognition. it's a gamble but to me it feels worth the risk. in the US personal copyrights belong to the author for their life span and 75 years beyond. Before the internet I'd always thought that if i got any recognition it would be after I died. With the internet I can work on my legacy and hope it pays off sooner.
AND I get recognition from all of you which is great!

I'm sorry you're upset Magda. But even with anti - right click I'm told stealing can still be accomplished. I've seen my blog content as phony spam blog content. It hurts, I know. And i reported it. But really it's a chance we take on the web. It's a bigger version of the real world.



I've never quite understood why pro members get the privelege of downloading other's full files. That seems a bit odd to me. but it's a whole different issue I know.

what we need is alo "downloading" for friends "only" and button "visible to your network only"

i agree about downloading restrictions but not sure about visibility "for network only". you won't find new contacts this way. also not really happy about the blockong of larger formats. i often have interest in details and want to see these. some people already have blocked larger view of their photos :(

that was mental shortcut :D i mean some things you want to share only with your contacts, not only friends, but all contacts.
i hate strangers lurking on my posts here for example... pfffffffffffffffff!

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The last point you mentioned always seemed odd to me to, but like you say, different issue and a weird one ;)

hmmmmm .... I think too it would at least be polite to ask... But I don't know much about the legal things regarding this though :(

maybe she/he is just ignorant, but well... i didn't published my pics as a book or don't have my own website, and if she/he joined ipernity only for that purpose it's just disgusting... as a member she/he can "bookmark" pictures adding it as a fave. but "holly" has no own pics and just try to make some mess around i suppose...

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See my comment on: www.ipernity.com/doc/19359/973517

holly, molly... maybe it's the same person even....

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I bet it is, she has been on my Site yesterday too, now I know why,....

aha, holly and molly live in delhi and are born on the same day... very strange indeed. i wouldn't be surprised if "Polly" and "Dolly" pop up here in a few hours.

and maybe (as Lodchjo is thinking), they are paid for stealing pics....

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They all come from Delhi. The owner of pixrat is a company in India ..
You can use a whois-Client or samspade.org to find out the owner of the Domain - just type "ibibo.com" into the search field (I don't wanna post this information here to keep ipernity out of struggle).

www.ipernity.com/home/31525
www.ipernity.com/home/31511
www.ipernity.com/home/31678

If you have more, post them :-(

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There's always a list of tags, like 'cars', 'bridges'... could it be done by computer??
I just hope Ipernity won't grant them a PRO-account - even if they pay, because then they'll be able to download originals!!

and that's terrifying.... :/

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it's the same holly-molly, i suppose...

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There are many at that site- some some of mine-
pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/user/payal?page=1

many other ones from here!
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yep, i've noticed... and that's not good for sure!!

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Oki, I'm not sure how I feel about this though but I have a few question, if anybody knows... First, how do you find if out that your picture is there (as I can see it, Roberto didn't have a comments from Holly-Molly-Dolly -Nolly on his pic).
And second, I noticed both Roberto and Magda have the "other options" at their pictures - I dunno if its on mine pics - but it does have a "blog this" option... Perhaps its possible to turn this off at one's setting? (like I said, I dunno if it shows on my pics for others).
It doesn't make it less impolite to not ask before though ...

Ann, but that pi(x)rat is not "art" web page, lots of disgusting porn there too...

yeah, I looked at it more thoroughly now

I just had an email from Christophe in ipernity support, he said they would be looking into this to see what could be done.

And by the way, he replied to my email within 10 minutes. These ipernity people are good!

yep! and i had really nice email from Lea too! ipernity team is really great! :))

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wow, I could have saved my breath on my blog by looking over here first, dooh ;)

Thanks, Rob!

There are only links to the original images at Ipernity ( or elsewhere ) on Pixrat and other bookmark servers.
Bookmarks are indeed the bookmarks of the bookmark servers user. But "my bookmark" doesn´t imply that the bookmarks content is mine. In fact I would not expect that any bookmark points to contents belonging to the bookmarks owner.
On a bookmark server you can browse through the colletions of other people who are interested in similar things than yourself - without the limitation to e.g. a specific foto community.
In short terms bookmarks are a kind of better web search utility than the big search engines.

I was still thinking about this on my way home from work and this is why I think this bookmarking site is more than 'bookmarking'. There are people who are using these sites to 'bookmark' our work and in doing so they: show our work in an account we know nothing about, arrange our work in albums, and,

these people receive votes and comments for OUR work in their 'bookmarking' account.

Personally, I don't care that the bookmarking site links back to ipernity, flickr, pbase, photonet, zoomer etc. and may therefore be complying with the policies of ipernity etc., For me it's a site that is unethical in that it is encouraging and facilitating people to receive comments and votes on work that does not belong to them. And for this reason I really hope that the Ipernity Team can do something to block user activity from that site.

I second your thoughts on this.

fully agree!

I do agree with your opinion. What's going on on pixrat is simply making profits of other people's hard work.

in their user agreement: "The Company respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same. The Company may, in appropriate circumstances and at its discretion, disable and/or terminate the accounts of users who may be repeat infringers. If you believe that your work has been copied in a way that constitutes copyright infringement and appears on this Site, please contact us by email at contactus@Pixrat.com with the details of such infringement".

I wrote them a note yesterday after checking their TOS. I gave them a link to their user's page with my pic and explained that I had not given permission etc and requested that they ask the user to remove the bookmark or to remove it if the user would not do it. No reply from them and my pic is still on the user's page. It's been faved, and, bookmarked by someone else there too...sigh.

look what i found:
holly...
pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/album/8758/wall-pictures it's disgusting...

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wherefore makes holly that??? Its stupid!

i just found one of my pics too... she's very active, that Holly. me thinks she's getting paid (Indian salary is low)...
more pics = more page hits = more advertisement!!

OK, what i did now was this:
i changed status of my photo to "shared with friends&family", so the link from pixRAT only works for those who are in my network, but is not accessible to stranger.
it's a pity honest IP-members won't be able to see it.
but those who don't want their photos linked like that, could consider doing the same thinh. which means less comments, less hits, less faves...
...........well, i just did it for testing, i don't know what i'll do from now on.
if someone wants the access codes to the pixrat account i made to leave nag messages to those links, just ask me!!

buaaaaaa! it's good to be your friend anyway :D:D:D

it does state in their user agreement: "The Company respects the intellectual property of others, and we ask our users to do the same. The Company may, in appropriate circumstances and at its discretion, disable and/or terminate the accounts of users who may be repeat infringers. If you believe that your work has been copied in a way that constitutes copyright infringement and appears on this Site, please contact us by email at contactus@Pixrat.com with the details of such infringement". maybe this molly person should just be nicely asked to stop using copyrighted images. she may not have read the user agreement fully and doesn't know that some of the images she has used are not sharable. some people on ipernity have creative commons licenses and don't care who uses their photos. obviously many of us don't want to share images though.

i did write an email and no response so far, that was yesterday morning! :( and they didn't do anything but blocking those who logged in there (mpphrules ;)) from viewing our stolen pics when we are logged in.... crap...

Here's a list of 'the borrowers' i discovered so far:
pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/user/jassica
pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/user/molly123
pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/user/holly
pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/user/megan
pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/user/aaliyahuk (so far only 1 recent pic)
check for your pics over there!
...and pity these people who have a total lack of creativity of their own and totally lack respect for those who do. Amen.

i'm sick of that rat stealing pics.... błech!!!

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pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/user/shreya

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And yet another pixRAT from da plague:
pixrat.ibibo.com/picture/user/lauren86

geeeeeeeez! what is the purpose of that? :( i just don't understand!!

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thanks for bringing this to my attention Mad, it appears to be a bookmark site only or am I being niave???

well... it's stealing for me!

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There is no deal between ipernity and Pixrat, we are not involved in Pixrat and we do not support Pixrat activities.

Bookmarking is a common practice on Internet.

However, we've sent a message to Pixrat, asking them how an ipernity member could prevent bookmarking of his/her pictures by Pixrat.

We'll keep you informed.

Christian

thank you!!!! it's really not fair for me and i don't agree for such thing... :(

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I agree that this is a problem. As a private user I have no idea what is the sense behind this grabbing-activity. Grabbing pictures to an indian Website????

On Flickr I had the same problems finding some of my pictures on an african website.

For me as an ipernity user it is very important, that my pics cannot be grabbed by any bot, or person without my permission. And I really hope (and im shure) that Team Iper will find a solution for all this in the future :-)

and me too! though i'm afraid that only solution is blocking IP of that pixRAT page permanently :/ sigh.... thank you for your comment :))

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Here is a reply we've just received from Pixrat. Apparently, there is no automatic way to prevent bookmarking of copyrighted pictures, but you can send Pixrat and email and they'll remove the related bookmarks. On the other hand, I've just deleted an ipernity account created only for Pixrat bookmarking. If you see accounts like that, feel free to inform us. Hope it could help. Christian

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De : contactus@pixrat.com De la part de Pixrat Team
Envoyé : jeudi 22 novembre 2007 16:31
À : ipernity support
Objet : Re: Complaints from ipernity.com members

Hi Christophe

Pixrat is a social picture bookmarking site. It allows users to bookmark their favorite images from the web. However we don't store the original image but just a small thumbnail for preview. Also we link back to the original site from where it was bookmarked from. But having said that, we also respect privacy and copyright concerns of the owners of photos and take steps immediately to address concerns as and when it is brought to our notice, since it is impossible for us to determine the copyright issues programmatically.

We completely understand your concern and appreciate that you have brought this to our notice. We have removed the specific bookmark.

Please feel free to write to us anytime you have any queries or concerns.

Thanks and Regards,

Pixrat Team.

them
Hi mad.melon,

We sincerely apologize for this and have disabled the picture bookmark on Pixrat.

Just to clarify ourselves, Pixrat is a social picture bookmarking site. It allows users to bookmark their favorite images from the web. However we don't store the original image but just a small thumbnail for preview. Also we link back to the original site from where it was bookmarked from. But having said that, we also respect privacy and copyright concerns of the owners of photos like you, and take steps immediately to address concerns as and when it is brought to our notice, since it is impossible for us to determine the copyright issues programmatically.

We completely understand your concern and appreciate that you have brought this to our notice.

Please feel free to write to us anytime you have any queries or concerns.

Thanks and Regards,


Pixrat Team.
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me
hello!
in fact there was more than one... i really don't think is legal... i mean your page is encouraging people to post otehrs pics on your page. what is worse my picture can be bookmarked, voted for by any other users... and credits goes to molly, holly or others...
in my opinion your page makes stealing other people work much easier...
and if i want to "bookmark" something i'm using my browser. and if i need socializing i meet my friends or join community like ipernity.
that's not only MY opinion. thank you!
regards
mad.melon
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Hi mad.melon,

We sincerely apologize for this and have disabled the picture bookmark on Pixrat.

Just to clarify ourselves, Pixrat is a social picture bookmarking site. It allows users to bookmark their favorite images from the web. However we don't store the original image but just a small thumbnail for preview. Also we link back to the original site from where it was bookmarked from. But having said that, we also respect privacy and copyright concerns of the owners of photos like you, and take steps immediately to address concerns as and when it is brought to our notice, since it is impossible for us to determine the copyright issues programmatically.

We completely understand your concern and appreciate that you have brought this to our notice.

Please feel free to write to us anytime you have any queries or concerns.

Thanks and Regards,

Pixrat Team.


but they do nothing... only ipernity can block the pixrat ip....

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one more!
Hi mad.melon,

We totally understand your concern. We will try our best to put in checks and measures to prevent such violation or at least try to give credits to the rightful owner.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Best Regards

hopefully it will work!

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The same procedure, here's the mail I recieved concerning my complaint:

"Hi Chabernac,

We sincerely apologize for this. We will be deleting all bookmarks of your photos soon. Please give us sometime to identify the bookmarks that needs to be deleted. If you can help us identify the specific ones that will enable us delete them faster.

Just to clarify ourselves, Pixrat is a social picture bookmarking site. It allows users to bookmark their favorite images from the web. However we don't store the original image but just a small thumbnail for preview. Also we link back to the original site from where it was bookmarked from. But having said that, we also respect privacy and copyright concerns of the owners of photos like you, and take steps immediately to address concerns as and when it is brought to our notice, since it is impossible for us to determine the copyright issues programmatically.

We completely understand your concern and appreciate that you have brought this to our notice.

Please feel free to write to us anytime you have any queries or concerns.

Thanks and Regards,

Pixrat Team."

i think the more we will protest, the more they will think about it...

Well, eventually I understand your objections against Pixrat.
And what about
images.google.com/images?q=%22mad+melon%22+ipernity&gbv=2&ndsp=20&svnum=10&hl=en&start=40&sa=N

Only to give one example, there are surely several others.

but no holly or molly takes credits for my work, so that's difference....

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