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To (post) process or not to process... is it real or not?

Monday October 8, 2007 at 12:57AM

With the advent of digital photography and Photoshop, it has become much easier to process and manipulate images. While darkroom processing, in the analog days, was a necessary step to actually get the images - be it in film or in print - digital technology allows for instant images.

I have heard many people argue that one should keep the photographs "as they come out of the camera", as if this was the "true", "pure" image, capturing "the real thing", and any sort of processing is actually distorting reality in some way. It is clear to me that using any camera always introduces some kind of processing, be it in the "analog" hardware of ealier cameras and film, or in the hardware/software combination in modern digital cameras. In other words, there is no such thing as "real" to begin with! While documentary photographers try to capture real happenings, we all know they can be as manipulated as any other kind of image. The belief in their authenticity relies much more in people's interpretation of the images than in the actual authenticity of the captured pixels. As Pedro Meyer puts it, “Face it, all photographs are and always have been the product of manipulating reality. They are simply interpretations of the photographer who made them,” (see his book The Real and the True: The Digital Photography of Pedro Meyer, or read a review for excellent discussions and further references on this debate)

[Update: I have since found this excellent article on Creativity, by Eddy Sethna. It is worth reading!]

So post processing a photo is like introducing one's own "authoring" into the image, in addition or in substitution of the camera's processing. To me, it is as an integral part of the creative experience as the actual shooting of the photo. The question remains, though, how much processing to do. Some will argue that fixing image properties such as contrast, sharpness, saturation, colors is OK, but removing or adding elements is not.

Personally, each image I make is my interpretation of a reality I lived, which I try to communicate to others. Sometimes I feel it to be quite "factual", but most of the time colored by my own memories, feelings, emotions, past and current experiences, either at the time I took the picture of at the time I am processing it. So if I feel I have to add or remove something, I will do it. I don't have any commitment to being "accurate" or "real".

Many of my photos play with these perceptions, showing how the eye can actually seem images that many would consider manipulations. This is especially true with reflections, as in this photo

I am constantly fascinated by these images, which are all around us, and many don't see them. Others may be actual manipulations - which I don't do very much - but in any case I don't think this is so relevant; what matters is the feeling, emotion, idea, or message being communicated.

In some sense, the message here is somewhat similar to the one in the famous Magritte's painting "La Trahison des Images (The Treachery of Images)", which bears the inscription "Ceci n'est pas une pipe"...

So, my friend, what is your opinion on this subject?

15 Comments / add your comment?

Aurelio Asiain says:
I agree, word by word, and will be back with some comments later. Just let me say that almost all of my last uploaded pics (like this one; see the captions) are retouched ones — and nobody seemed to realize it — now I realize you did it.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Anna says:
First let me say, I love your photos. I have to agree with what you said 100% here. I believe what most photographers want to show is what they are seeing. If you upload your picture to your computer and you think that it is not quite right, you adjust it. Whether it be adjusting colors or messing around in Photoshop.

Sometimes, when you look at a picture right out of the camera, you think.."That's not how I saw it." I know for me, if it just doesn't look like my interpretation of what I saw, I am going to whatever I have to make it look right.

You keep up the wonderful work my friend!
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
{ME} says:
Good post! The question is: What is reality? There is only perception...
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Bigoode [Frozen account] says:
I think in the XXI century we don't have to ask this anymore
post processing or not
our discussion must be beyond this point of argue !

Let's teach to "old school photographers" how to frame perfectly and let's teach to "post processor" how to use filters in photoshop !

It's no more time for such argue in my opinion ...
cause it's a non ending conversation ....
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
manganite says:
You can not take a picture that exactly looks like your eyes are seeing something, even if you take an analog picture you're manipulating by changing the perspective by choosing a certain focal length, the dof by the aperture, saturation and contrast by taking a certain film and so on...

A problem appears only if you fake something and declaring it as reality, but that's more a political or even criminal discussion, not a question of art.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
ecstaticist says:
The intention of your art is what matters, but there is no crime in not making it explicit, especially when the clues are apparent (see McNeney's stream on flickr). Others may bring their preconceptions of what your art is intended to be, but unless you say "my art is photo realism" or "my art is digital manipulation" the debate will never end, ...I say let them guess. Controversy is healthy for your art.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
David de Groot says:
Well for me, I try to get the photo in the camera to come out as I wish it to appear, without the need for fiddling with it afterwards. This isn't always possible and I accept that.
However, since I shoot raw files, all my shots are processed in some way, even if only to convert them from raw to jpg for upload.

There is a place for photo manipulation, it's an art in itself, but there's also a place for straight documentary photography where it's expected that no manipulation is done at all (for example, news photography).
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Daniel Schwabepro replies:
David, while this is true in principle, there is also controversy about it. The discussions on Pedro Meyer's website (http://www.zonezero.com) illustrate how even "documentary" photography is subject to manipulation, although not necessarily through image processing programs (even though there are known examples in the media where it has been found this happened).
For example, a particular framing may leave out an important part of a scene, sometimes conveying radically different messages. In this case, wouldn't this be as manipulative as deleting this part of the scene in Photoshop?
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
David de Groot replies:
There is that, for sure, although intentionally framing to leave something out, is different to putting something in the photo later in post-processing. In the first instance you're documenting a scene as it was (even if selectively), in the other, you're creating a work of fiction.
Selective framing to make a particular point is really something that comes down to the integrity of the photographer, whereas editing a photo for publication (even if just cropping something out) reflects on the integrity of the publisher (not necessarily different people).
I suppose an ethical documentary photography will photograph the scene as it is, regardless of how the scene may not reflect his/her attitudes, whereas an unethical photographer may selectively compose to push a particular viewpoint. That is of course an over-simplified statement, but will suffice for this discussion I think.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
Daniel Schwabepro replies:
Yes, I agree...
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink / translate )
James Rye says:
I agree with you 100% Daniel. There is no such thing as a 'pure' photograph. And if photography is a creative art, then processing is part of that creative process for me.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
ypell says:
In my real-life work, we process imagery (satellite cloud imagery, for instance). A lot of it comes from infrared wavelengths that the eye does not perceive. None of it is in true colour. In a way it becomes more "real" after post-processing because it gives us access to a layer of objective reality that we do not otherwise know.

And then there is subjective or artistic truth, which is quite different from the scientific one: given the same photo of, say, a crime scene, an investigator might process the image to make all available information visible. An artist, on the other hand, may actually reduce the objective information content of the image (by darkening it, for instance) in order to enhance the emotional power of the image.
Posted 2 years ago. ( permalink )
viagespro says:
Post processing is not new as Daniel states.

Having wet printed from negatives many year ago , rest assured there was almost as much post processing done years ago..........dodging, burning, tilting base boards, combining negs. etc. etc.

The fact that the image is captured with a camera is part of the processing and different setting and camera's give different results to reality anyway.
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )
Daniel Schwabepro replies:
Yes, you are right, and I referred to this in the beginning of my post. This is well illustrated in the article on Digital Creativity by Eddy Sethna that I read after having ready your post. I also updated the blog with a reference to it. Thanks for the pointer!
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )
Pat Hayes says:
In the early days of photography many pictures , especially portraits, were taken with deliberately softened focus as it was widely felt that focussed images looked artificially 'harsh'. Now these soft focus images look faked. and artificial. I wonder, is this because we have learned to trust our eyes, or because our eyes have been re-trained by the photography?
Posted 23 months ago. ( permalink )

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