Daniel Schwabe Published on September 15, 2007
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US: Sad state of afairs...

Saturday September 15, 2007 at 10:18PM

I've been travelling for professional reasons for the past 2 weeks. My last trip was to Houston, Texas. Evidently, the first chance I had I went out to grab some pictures of skyscrapers and window reflections, which are all over the place there (I'll be posting some in the near future).

But here is an episode that made me wonder about the current mindset of some people in the US. I parked my car in a driveway of a building complex, so I could step out and get a good angle on a particularly interesting window reflection. Much to my surprise, one minute after I got out and started shooting, two security people came out of the adjacent building and asked me if I had permission to photograph the buildings (accross the street, mind you). Obviously I said I did not have, so the informed me that taking pictures was not allowed, and asked me to please step inside the building, where they proceeded to ask for my identification, called their supervisor because it was necessary to make an "unauthorized media incident report", the whole shebang. One of the officers informally told me that such rigor was due to 9/11 related fears of a repeat incident. They also asked me to delete the pictures I had taken.

So they wrote down all my id information (which is in Portuguese, but they had a hard time understanding that I am not Portuguese but Brazilian...), and told me, in front of a newly summoned Houston Police officer, that they would be filing this report. Then they were satisfied and said I was free to go. Before leaving, I inquired whether my offense was for taking pictures OF the property, of for doing so WITHIN the property, and they explained that it was the latter. If I stood in the public sidewalk there was nothing they could do. Of course, I immediately proceeded to walk out to another parking area outside the property, and took the pictures again.

While I was waiting to cross a traffic light (on foot, holding my camera), a foreman that was inside a maintenance truck came out and asked me if everything was ok, looking at my camera. I said yes, I was only waiting to cross the street. Then he asked me whether I was taking any pictures of wires/cables (he seemed to be doing some maintenance on them), and when I replied that I was only taking pictures of window reflections, and had no intrerest whatsoever in wires (to the contraty), he was satisfied and walked away.

Having come back from Europe, where I took thousands of pictures everywhere withouth being bothered once, I started wondering how sad it is that people have become so scared and paranoid in the US... things have definitely changed...

Has anybody had similar experiences?

9 Comments / add your comment?

Sammy68 says:
Yes, I get it often. I live in a touristy area that you wouldn't think much of a camera. People are very paranoid, I think the "I will sue you" mentality in the U.S. is also to blame.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )
Anna says:
Yes, it is pretty sad. People are paranoid, and I doubt it will get any better.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )
Maître Follace ;o)) says:
America = dreamland...
This is NOT my dream.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink / translate )
manganite says:
I haven't myself, but I read several times here that people have very similar problems with security people while taking pictures of office buildings or something else. Don't think that's a typical US american problem.
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )
Daniel Schwabe pro replies:
Well, I have not seen a similar level of "concern" (not to say paranoia) anywhere else, including Europe (which has suffered more violent acts than US). And I did take many photos of office buildings in Europe and Latin America, and was never approached by anyone asking me what I was doing, be they private security or regular passers by, as happened in this episode...
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Here is something from Frankfurt: www.ipernity.com/blog/photomotion/15503
Posted 14 months ago. ( permalink )
Pat Hayes says:
Daniel, greetings. The incident you suffered was regrettable, but it was in Texas. In many ways, Texas is a separate place from the rest of the USA. I don't think it would have happened in NY, California, New Mexico or Florida.

Many years ago (pre-9-11) I was standing in a country road in England taking pictures through a wire fence of what appeared to be a large radio telescope, when an armed American GI in a jeep drove up and ordered me to stop. I pointed out that he was American and I was in England, and he told be that he would arrest me and take me inside the US base (and destroy my camera) if I gave him any trouble. So I left, as he had a gun. You just gotta love those Yanks, they are so freedom-oriented.
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )
Daniel Schwabe pro replies:
Pat, I would agree that in most large cities in the states you mention, I would be quite unlikely to be bothered in this way... incidentally, could it be a coincidence that these states also have a large immigrant population?
Unfortunately, however, things have changed since 9/11, almost everywhere... and it saddens me to see the way things are going, both in the US and elsewhere. Sort of a generalization of the attitude "if I carry a gun, I am right (and you are wrong if you disagree with me)", which escalates very quickly if both parties have guns...
Anyway, thanks for the visit and for caring.
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )
Pat Hayes says:
Probably not a coincidence about the immigrant populations. But it goes deeper than just this. Parts of the USA, and Texas is a vivid example, are almost incredibly *insular* in their culture. People there know almost nothing about the world outside the USA, or even outside their state or county. They are the opposite of cosmopolitan. I don't think any European country has this narrow a view of the world. It reminds me a little of the small country town where I grew up.

BUt you are right that things have changed since 9-11, perhaps inevitably. Before coming to the USA I lived surrounded by British paranoia concerning Irish terrorism, with armed police at the airports and so on, but it didnt seem to penetrate into the ordinary culture the way that 9-11 has done in the USA. Perhaps it is because the US has never been bombed or suffered the effects of war first-hand until then, and the first time is likely to be more of a shock.
Posted 11 months ago. ( permalink )

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