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The fourth week...

Wednesday July 18, 2007 at 07:25AM

... is over now and despite I'm still quite satisfied with ipernity there is also I strong feeling of stagnation. To check if this is only some emotional thing or can be based on some numbers I looked around a little bit.

Start with personal experiences. That's not very objective, I know, but nevertheless. That there was slightly less activity on my stream while in the weeks before it was always increasing, might be due to the pictures I loaded up, if they are not hitting the taste of my contacts, there will be no activity. But another thing is more meaningful. I went through my contact list and found easily about 10% inactive accounts over two or three weeks. I know, some people are on summer vacation, but that's not case here, they're still active on flickr. Which holds in principle for all of my contacts with two accounts. Only the genuine ipernity people who hadn't have as contacts on flickr, seem to be only active here. Belonging to some hard core ipernity community, which is numbers rather small.

So that's about me, but what's going around out there? I looked at our dear friend Lea ipernity. She's now slightly above 8000 contacts, something like 500 new compared to the week before (in the beginning she got far more than 1000 a week!). Bot okay, 8000 is still a good number. So we have thousands of active ipernity members here? No! I looked through here network, and on every randomly page in here contact list (contains of 16 contacts each), I found that 30-50% had never uploaded any pictures! Only maybe 5-10% had a significantly high number of pictures (something like more than 50), which I would call then an really active account. The rest has mostly something between 5 and 20 pictures online, which I would call a test account with not much future.

So in principle we have something like 400 to 800 people which are more or less active in a regular way. That's not much! On flickr I would call this a small group, hardly to find.

And this numbers fits to experience I had made concerning canceled accounts. Instead of finding more of my old flickr contacts here (I haven't found any new lat week), some have deleted their account.

Regarding the pictures, one got a similar picture. Before I came in, ipernity has about 107000 pictures. One week later 70000 more. Then there was peak of 103000 new in the following week. After that 77000 new ones, and last week only 41000 new picture. So the total number is till below 400000. And this originates mainly in the complete move from flickr of some members here, which is now almost finished, I think.

Another thing is pseudo group activities. Weeks ago there was a lot of activity, photo contests, photo games, topic groups and so on. A lot of things based on exchanging pictures, looking and commenting on them. Meanwhile the blogging function is more or less only used as a normal blog with diverse topics. So instead of building up a photo centric community, the active part is just building up a community with no special interest in the photos. maybe I'm wrong here, but that's my impression looking through the blog entries of my network.

The future of ipernity is still open, maybe it will grow, maybe end of the year only a few people are left, still agreeing with each other what wonderful place this is and how awful l flickr is. last thing is little bit of what we call in German "Geburtsfehler" I think. the community here is build up from the negative impulse of disliking flickr and not from the positive impulse founding a new community. Ipernity was chosen randomly as the exile of a large, old and mainly German flickr community united in the dislike of flickr. That ipernity may be a better place was an idea build up later, after the move. And it seems that people with a more neutral opinion about both place are now going back or at least slowing down their activities here.

Ipernity needs increase, input of fresh blood to have success, at the moment there is stagnation. I hope we will not see a decrease in future. I myself will be out some days from tomorrow on and, as I wrote yesterday, new pictures from me have to wait until August. Maybe we will have groups then and this place will show more activity afterwards. But honestly, reading some things what groups should be or do, about nightmares on flickr groups and the hope blocking function will work fine, I'm not sure if they will be success in terms of being fun...

17 Comments / add your comment?

rob_visualpro says:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the future of this platform here. By the way: many of your last blog-entries were not photo-related too. ;-)

Think it is a big plus to share your different thoughts with the blogging-feature. It is an important important thing to better understand the person behind the uploaded content. If we come closer to each other, the comments under your photos become better and detailed.

I think that a group-feature is better for special interest purposes.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Yes, I know, I always have a tendency to meta discussions ;)

But I myself have a rather neutral relation to both platforms. For me they just satisfy different things, more pure photosharing on flickr, and closer communication here. I like or dislike not one more or less than the other, so I think, I can quite good analyze what I'm noticing.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
{ME}pro says:
I for my person don't care so much about the size of a community. I prefer let's say 20 "close friends" than 200 loose contacts. There are enough people and enough pictures here...
BTW I don't share your impression: most of my contacts are still active and I found many new active contacts the last days.

So after all ipernity doesn't "feel" different than flickr, but that's only my impression
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
But this a question of personal taste about the size of personal community. Ipernity like flickr is a business and there it needs a growing number of customers to survive. The guys here will not spend their money to finance your twenty member community.

A photosharing site need much more than some active people, it needs growth and that means more and more people and more and more pictures. And it need stars, like flickr has with Rebekka , who makes to printed magazines and so on to gather new people.

If this really is the beginning of stagnation, what I described here, than you will have to look for a new place next year...
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
{ME}pro replies:
OK, so I will do my best to become the first Ipernity-star ;-)

Well, we will see; I think it's too early to judge the future of this service. We should give them time
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
Yes, we really should give it time. But a little contribution off the road of wide spread happiness might be useful, I thought
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
HarryBo73 says:
I think you described the current situation correctly. I also feel some kind of stagnation and just a small group of people are being active. For me that means e.g. that there are just 10 people who like and make HDRs. That is not much. We will see how this will go on.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
Kendoji says:
Interesting thoughts. It's hard for me to comment, as even though I have had photos up on flickr for more than a year, I was not really very active there. When I finally did start tagging and joining groups, submitting all my photos to a few relevant groups, still nobody ever noticed my photos as most of the obvious groups I had joined had so many people. It wasn't very inspiring. Coming here has been a revelation, it's great to have a smaller 'community feel', something I never experienced at flickr, and it's nice to see that so many people are actively commenting and looking at everyone else's photos. I think you're right about the need for growth, and I can't predict what will happen to this site, but for the moment I am really enjoying the 'community' feel of this place.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
That the contact is more close here, I think, too. I got more views, comments and faves on flickr, but that's I think just related to the higher number of users. So here it's like a small family and people are interacting closer. But that seems now at a certain level, and not further increasing. But that must happen otherwise this place will not survive, cause somehow they must earn money...
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
artelisapro says:
thank you for your thoughts. i agree that ipernity has only a solid future if it grows and earns some money ... and that's the reason why i'm just a bit wondering about so many active people who don't pay for this service but are discussing if ipernity has a chance to survive or not ...
i notice that ipernity staff does its best to react on all our wishes for a better interface quite fast and good - so for me it's really inscrutable why people don't buy a pro account ... i would be glad if especially people from germany would be not so shy to pay for good service.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
For me it's I have already one pro account at flickr and I'll not give that one up. I have other free accounts at other photosharing sites. I can not pay for all of them. Ipernity looks good, the first one beside flickr, where got this impression. But it's to early for me to say that will be the place for the future, so I will pay here. Up to now I'm quite satisfied with my free account.

And maybe I'm not paying directly, but my pictures are a little bit popular which helps to attract people, so ipernity makes more money with google adds or more pro accounts. So indirectly I'm doing something that this place will survive and it's maybe more than 2 Euro a month worth.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
be·mo·repro says:
my beginning on ipernity was due to the awful policy on flickr too. so it was what you described as a negative impulse. like most people from "the other side" i needed a little time in the beginning to get used to this place. think that's quite normal.
i really love the atmosphere here and i hope ipernity won't grow too much in too little time. then they'd have the chance to find their own way and i hope they won't make the same mistakes.
i think team ipernity is doing a very good job. give them some time. bigger isn't necessarily better : )
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
manganite replies:
No, bigger means not better, but makes it easier to survive ;)
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
Chaim Zvi says:
I kind of like the smaller size here. Reminds me of when I joined Flickr and could watch ALL the new photos being added.

That said, I just realized that my pro account on flickr is now going to be free as long as I keep Verizon DSL.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
Uberschnapppro says:
Well, I like it here, I have taken up a pro account as I felt it would be nice to try and support ipernity. The annual charge is not excessive. I haven't posted many new pictures as I am going through a very busy time at work but I do intend to as soon as I get some free time. I do think the site would benefit from a "groups" function, it is rather cumbersome to have to use comment threads and harder to check back to the same thread. I have pretty much relegated my flickr account to a secondary back up archive (its marginally easier to search than my array of PCs and hard drives.. :-) but most of the new stuff I now post there is tagged as private. I am also still finding new refugees from flickr here on a daily basis and whilst initially it was mainly my German friends and contacts this is now changing to other nationalities.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
Patrick says:
I have also noted a little slow down - Also noticed some comments about reaching the download limit for free accounts for the month- so that may be part of the slow down too. There was also a server slow down some days ago and I know I just logged off to come back another day. I was never a member at flikr but always browsed the interesting and recent photo's, and if something caught my eye, I would check out the individual photo stream. I know there are many here that I have not seen and try to click through recent photos or contacts to find something interesting. I decided to come here because it is smaller and seems to be more friendly. Hopefully it can stay that way and make money in the process.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )
Annjin says:
I deleted my account at flickr, not only because of the zensor thingy but because flickr felt somehow negative and not so much about creative photography in the end. Which was my primary reason to join a on-line photo community in the first place - the ability to meet photographers and discuss photos and art.

So far Ipernity is doing that, providing me a place to meet other artist and view their work and engage in discussions. Yea, there might be a drop of activity, but that might be caused by all sorts of reasons . Some signed up just to make a statement, some went fishing as it summer time, and some, and I think this is an important point, just got a bit exhausted in the effort of making Ipernity a good place to come to for newbies and spent a lot of energy trying to make this a vibrant place.

I don't think Ipernity will become the massive photo site as flickr, and that suit me fine. I think with time (and yes, we have to give the team here some time..) Ipernity will be a small alternative to flickr but a valuable one. If one want more display of ones pic flick might be a better choice due to the larger hits they get, for the time being.

However Ipernity has drawn a lot of prominent artists and if they are clever they can find their niche as not just a photo sharing site of camp site family pictures but as an artists photo sharing site. That would be interesting. A seeking, playful and diverse community of artists.
Posted 16 months ago. ( permalink )

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