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[EN] Here are the weekly news...
As for now, people having a Yahoo!ID or OpenID, Facebook members and Orange subscribers can use their login information to connect ipernity. ipernity members, go to your Preferences / Connexion page for further details. Not yet registered? That way!
We are still focused on the ipernity API and hope to open it to programmers in the next days. We should modify our technical architecture and it was time consuming. That's the reason why we are a little bit late on this project.
As we told you last time, Portuguese translation is finished and our new FAQ also. For technical reasons, we'll put online everything when we release the API.
After that, we'll go back to your wishes and we'll do our best to fulfill the most popular ones (yes we know: collections, rearranging albums and streams, password protected albums, homepages customization, exploration...;-))))
Thanks again to all of you for your support and your patience!
The ipernity Team
[DE] Hier nun die wöchentlichen Nachrichten ...
Ab Sofort können sich Leute, die eine Yahoo!ID oder einen OpenID-Account haben, ebenso wie Facebook-Mitglieder und Orange-Abonnenten mit ihren jeweiligen Login-Daten auch bei ipernity einloggen. ipernity-Mitglieder gehen für weitere Informationen auf ihre Einstellungen/Anmeldemanager-Seite. Noch nicht registriert? Hier lang!
Wir konzentrieren uns weiterhin auf die ipernity-API und hoffen, sie in den nächsten Tagen den Entwicklern zugänglich machen zu können. Wir haben unsere Technik geändert, was sehr zeitaufwändig war. Dies ist auch der Grund, weshalb wir mit diesem Projekt etwas hinter dem Zeitplan sind. Wie letztes Mal schon angekündigt, sind die portugiesische Übersetzung sowie die neue FAQ nun fertig. Aus technischen Gründen werden wir alles erst online schalten, wenn wir die API veröffentlichen.
Danach werden wir uns wieder Ihren Wünschen widmen und unser Bestes geben, die meistgewünschten Funktionen umzusetzen (ja, wir wissen: Sammlungen, Alben und Streams umsortieren, passwortgeschützte Alben, Anpassung der eigenen Homepage, weitere Bilderfindfunktionen ... ;-))))
Ein erneutes Dankeschön für Ihre Unterstützung und Geduld
Das ipernity-Team
(translation courtesy of Dirk)
[FR] Voici les nouvelles de la semaine...
Les détenteurs d’une identité Yahoo! ou OpenID, les membres de Facebook et les abonnés Orange peuvent désormais utiliser leurs identifiants à ces services pour se connecter à ipernity.
Si vous êtes déjà membre d'ipernity, rendez-vous dans vos Préférences de connexion pour plus d'information. Pas encore inscrit ? C'est par là !
Nous sommes toujours focalisés sur l'API et espérons l'ouvrir aux programmeurs dans les tous prochains jours. Il a fallu revoir notre architecture technique et cela nous a pris un certain temps. C'est la raison pour laquelle nous avons pris un peu de retard sur ce projet.
Nous vous l'avions annoncé l'autre fois : la traduction en portugais est achevée et notre nouvelle FAQ aussi. Pour des raisons techniques, nous mettrons tout cela en ligne au même moment que l'API.
Après cela, nous reviendrons vers vos souhaits et tenterons d'exaucer les plus demandés (oui, nous les connaissons ;-) : collections, possibilités de mieux organiser les albums et le flux de document, protection par mot de passe, personnalisation des pages d'accueil, exploration.... ;-))))
Merci encore à vous tous pour votre soutien et votre patience !
La Team ipernity
rob_visual says:
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Don Andre pro replies:
schnecke★ǝʞɔǝuɥɔs Mat-dreim.org photos.ehrenheim.com replies:
I couldn't find out on openid.net/what neither wikipedia if your privacy is harmed.
Any idea ?
athebird replies:
An openID provider own your ID and password and say "OK" to ipernity if you try to login with an openID account. The goal is to have the same password for several accounts over the internet.
Each time somebody begin to use you account on a website, you are redirected to your openID provider witch inform you that you have receive a request to be identified on www.ipernity.com/* for example. Then you say OK, agree and you enter your password (on provider site) before being redirected to ipernity.
So yes, your password has to be stored on the provider side, its the goal. Providers does not have to store your password in clear text in their database if it is your question. A digest of your password is enough for authentication.
(Thats what I have anderstood of openID process when I used it)
The question after knowing how openID works is to know if you want to have a central password for several websites or prefer using one per each, hosted on the website itself.
For privacy harms, I can just see some low probabilities (also existant without openID)
- DNS attack : redirection to a false copy of your openID provider which can steal your password (very very hard to achieve, you will probably notice or be warned about HTTPS/SSL modifications of the remote host)
- on the paper, provider can store couples (ipernity, 24 March 2008) for example. Which can be used for advertising if you use a non independant openID provider (but like jabber servers, many openID providers exists and you even can have your own too)
after knowing that, choice is yours :)
wwwDOTgawartDOTde says:
yahoo id
to
log in
to ipernity
crazy world ;)
lichtundschatten pro says:
I came to Ipernity when I left Yahoo/Censr because of their bad customer treatment and their censorship.
And I don't like it when Yahoo comes closer to Ipernity.
Tupelo Honey pro says:
Can´t believe it.....
That´s a bad day :-(
Don Andre pro replies:
Tupelo Honey pro replies:
I don´t want to repeat all things happening in causal relationship to Yahoo....
Lichtundschatten for example annotated it here too, and I think you also know what this discussion is actually about.
Don Andre pro replies:
Tomibam pro says:
rob_visual replies:
forteller pro says:
greynine pro replies:
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elexx says:
I--D-O-N-T--W-A-N-T!!
And I don't want to use any ID with "global" purposes (I'know, they're created only for my best). Please - don't spent much time with programming such "things" - we are very happy without it.
rob_visual replies:
Marcel Bigoode pro says:
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Pandarine pro says:
MacGuffin pro says:
can we log in also with Flickr????....
greynine pro replies:
Dany pro says:
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rob_visual says:
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nottiestyle pro says:
Thank you very much!!
assbach pro says:
a lot of todays services and sites use different kinds of login technologies and ways.
ipernity doesnt have to sign contracts with yahoo to offer this, i think. it's just a technical thing. so where's the problem?
people that are already using other services like any yahoo service or facebook can easily login or stay logged in now. i should prolly make a screencast to show what it's about...
lichtundschatten pro says:
Since this time several censorship scandals occured and also the cases that Yahoo delivered dissidents to the Chinese government.
For these reasons MANY photo enthusiasts went from Flickr to Ipernity.
And MANY users are very disappointed and horrified that this brave new Yahoo world touches now our new community Ipernity.
Don Andre pro replies:
Who thought that this whole Identity 2.0 might even by rejected by those for whom it was created in the first place. It seems a lot of education is necessary.
lichtundschatten pro replies:
Excuse me Don Andre, I tried to express what I feel when I read that we now can use Yahho-ID's to go to Ipernity.
Open ID and Web 2.0 are no impregnable principles for me.
I like to think with my own head about everything and try to discover hidden interests.
Don Andre pro replies:
schnecke★ǝʞɔǝuɥɔs Mat-dreim.org photos.ehrenheim.com replies:
As long as you give all your logins AND password to one website, this very one can make a more complete profile of you than each of the other websites.
If YOU trust them that's your problem.
In wikipedia this isn't explained.
Beside our all bad experience with f.ckr there are real reasons to worry about this. People, that say "I don't care. It's just about photos" will have to learn about techniques used and consequences. I am a software-developer and QA-specialist myself and I know what is possible.
Do you know Schäuble ? Get yourself informed. That's better for ALL OF US. Spread the news !
forteller pro replies:
rob_visual replies:
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MacGuffin pro replies:
@rob and Don André...i understand ALL about openID's...i use kubuntu over OSX
i still thinking ...why with yahoo?...it is not yahoophobia...is about revolution..and YES...is like real life...
SAY NOT TO MAYORS...in whole industry...no big brands, buy the local...
i need more official information from Ipernity about this...80% of the ipernity users don't see it well beacause move here after that "little" problem...
Don Andre pro replies:
MacGuffin pro replies:
i was at flickr when was small and i move...
been BIG is not the same to be the best...best places take care of costumer...with this i finish this topic for me...
greynine pro replies:
be·mo·re pro says:
nous ont quitté (?) fl...r à cause de yahoo and the attitude and
actions these people have and do . c'est très , très triste qu'ils se
rapprochent d'ipernity maintenant
Don Andre pro says:
It's your choice to use your yahoo id (if you've got one). If not you could, eg. use Sxip or simply register here.
© Marco pro says:
I really don't like Yahoo, I hate flickr and I don't like, that their services "come closer" to ipernity.
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assbach pro replies:
Fred pro replies:
forteller pro replies:
forteller edited this comment 7 weeks ago.
rob_visual replies:
Don Andre pro replies:
thodue pro says:
idcorner.org/2007/08/22/the-problems-with-openid
Michael B. pro replies:
*Reinhard* pro says:
kbozen pro says:
1. Is optional; nobody must use it.
2. Like assbach wrote OpenID isn't Yahoo
quote from openid.net/what : "OpenID is not owned by anyone, nor should it be. Today, anyone can choose to be an OpenID user or an OpenID Provider for free without having to register or be approved by any organization."
If you are feared or not trust its security, privacy etc. -> don't use this method to login in ipernity
(I agree with some points in the article mentioned by thodue and don't use OpenID)
Dirk Sohler pro replies:
Imagine this:
Company A decides to become an OpenID provider. Company B too.
Someone registers an account “johndoe” at A.
Now, another users wants to register an OpenID account at B. He want to use “johndoe” as account name.
How does B know, that there is already an account “johndoe” in the OpenID network, if there is no need to register yourself as OpenID provider?
kbozen pro replies:
But, I repeat, nobody is forced to use OpenID to login in ipernity. Just don't use it. That's all.
athebird replies:
-> his account will be "johndoe@A"
another user get "johndoe@B" account
B does not know that "johndoe@A" exists and he don't minds. OpenID identifier is something like an email address, so right part of account name are different, those two accounts are different.
It is just the same as having tow "john" in two email providers.
user1=john@provider1.com and user2=john@provider2.com
(in this example, nicknames in websites that use openID authentication are not mandatory to be "john"..)
Dirk Sohler pro replies:
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greynine pro replies:
but you should read this too: The problem(s) with OpenID.
Dirk Sohler pro replies:
And the OpenID-stuff is mostly untranslated here at ipernity, only english or french.
So i removed phpMyID and set the login method here at ipernity back to the regular ipernity account login (and of course: now it works as it did before i tried OpenID).
Nice idea but too buggy.
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greynine pro replies:
ThorstenCologne says:
jefzila says:
August Wieselmayer pro says:
But I also see no shift towards Yahoo! Ipernity stays independent!
Xav says:
The publication of the API never be so close ;-)
So keep working fine...
Gone for a few days... says:
Dirk Sohler pro says:
[DE] Hier nun die wöchentlichen Nachrichten ...
Ab Sofort können sich Leute, die eine Yahoo!ID oder einen OpenID-Account haben, ebenso wie Facebook-Mitglieder und Orange-Abonnenten mit ihren jeweiligen Login-Daten auch bei ipernity einloggen. ipernity-Mitglieder gehen für weitere Informationen auf ihre Einstellungen/Anmeldemanager-Seite. Noch nicht registriert? Hier lang!
Wir konzentrieren uns weiterhin auf die ipernity-API und hoffen, sie in den nächsten Tagen den Entwicklern zugänglich machen zu können. Wir haben unsere Technik geändert, was sehr zeitaufwändig war. Dies ist auch der Grund, weshalb wir mit diesem Projekt etwas hinter dem Zeitplan sind. Wie letztes Mal schon angekündigt, sind die portugiesische Übersetzung sowie die neue FAQ nun fertig. Aus technischen Gründen werden wir alles erst online schalten, wenn wir die API veröffentlichen.
Danach werden wir uns wieder Ihren Wünschen widmen und unser Bestes geben, die meistgewünschten Funktionen umzusetzen (ja, wir wissen: Sammlungen, Alben und Streams umsortieren, passwortgeschützte Alben, Anpassung der eigenen Homepage, weitere Bilderfindfunktionen ... ;-))))
Ein erneutes Dankeschön für Ihre Unterstützung und Geduld
Das ipernity-Team
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Team Ipernity pro replies:
mr.driver / sorry i'm italian... :( says:
Ipernity team maybe has too much to do for us and doesn't have enough time to read newspapers. But this time I think should be the case that they have a ten minute of rest and go read this interesting article of The Guardian, in which is well proved how Facebook is in the hand of the CIA. (Unbelieveble? Well, go read it...)
About yahoo... well, there's no need to say anything, we all know yahoo....
Don Andre pro replies:
Dirk Sohler pro replies:
“Facebook has 59 million users - and 2 million new ones join each week.” - And how much of them are online regulary? How much of the accounts are only “well, i’m going to try this” accounts and how much of the accounts are not used anymore?
The count of users using the service regulary is more interesting as the count of users total. But much, much, much, much, much, much lower and not as high as the count of total users (and therefore not good for marketing *g*).
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mr.driver / sorry i'm italian... :( replies:
But this is quite off-topic. It's only one of the many reasons why I just don't like facebook, yahoo and all that stuff and don't like to share anything with them.
mr.driver / sorry i'm italian... :( edited this comment 7 weeks ago.
Don Andre pro replies:
I don't value Facebook a lot either, but the article you linked is written by someone with an obvious hatred for Facebook, how can you take his word on that matter for anything?
mr.driver / sorry i'm italian... :( replies:
I'd like also to talk you about www.infragard.net, but our opinions are too different, I'd prefer not to add anything more on this matter. I really respect your point of view, as I remain convinced of mine.
Hope that you don't consider me crazy for that, as I won't consider you silly. :)
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Michael B. pro says:
Even seeing the word 'Yahoo' on Ipernity's login page now turns me off in a major way.
Michael B. edited this comment 6 weeks ago.
Overdrive pro says:
lichtundschatten pro says:
It is true: I am very distrustful of the internet and also of great companies. It is also true that I am not an expert for computer technology.
I am not distrustful because of crazy phantasies but of real experiences.
For example my last experience:
I teach students in photography. Around 50 students have Ipernity accounts (I changed with my students from Flickr to Ipernity) where they save their photos and where we organize and communicate.
Sometimes we work all together at the same time and around 15 people are logged in.
It happened many times that my account switched to an account of one of my students. I could use this account regular and for example I could read their mails.
I informed Ipernity and they answered they will work on it and fix this severe problem.
What would you say? "Where wood is chopped, splinters must fall" or you don't know enough of technical things or this is a good reason to be distrustful?
Don Andre pro replies:
Overdrive pro replies:
I was talking about hapiness that people [mainly frinds] from flickr can freele login into ipernity to communicate with me, because only few of em want to migrate eg 1000 photos and lost whole network of friend there, bat he can use his id to log into imernity and comment/communicate here too.
Technical problems, like this are problem of programmers and it is good that you have informed them. Technical specifications of OpenID are not bad mainly, but it is true, you must to be alert about your browser: clean cookies, remove password etc. There can be problem of cache on your local network, it is possible, tahat cookies are stored on one place, one hdd somewere and more than one browser has got acces to it.
Ipernity hasn't got one time session cookies, you can close browser or its tab and after you are still logged in, so if someone can steal youre cookie, he can use it too. Same is at flickr.
schnecke★ǝʞɔǝuɥɔs Mat-dreim.org photos.ehrenheim.com replies:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie
german version
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP-Cookie
If you use the same computer even years later that may happen. cookies can store your session for decades.
lichtundschatten pro replies:
schnecke★ǝʞɔǝuɥɔs Mat-dreim.org photos.ehrenheim.com replies:
athebird replies:
But as it is written above, ipernity team is working on it so.. this issue is about to be fixed :)
lichtundschatten pro says:
And it happened many times with different accounts.
Stardrifter says:
Is it true that I can log in here with an Yahoo account, Facebook account and so on?
I dont really understand how it works. But I know that I dont want Yahoo to give my account data to anyone else without my knowledge. Neither would I want that with Facebook or any other Service if I would be a member there.
This also applies to Ipernity. If I ever notice that my account data at Ipernity is shared with a third party service, this would be a reason to quit the account here and a serious abuse of my trust in this Community. I hope that in this case is not the case.
Annjin says:
I now wish the iper team would focus on improving the social network bit. It might be unpopular to say, but I so hope you'll put the rearranging albums etc to side and put your efforts into making it more easy to follow up what's going on in ones network. Its no use having perfectly arranged albums & slide shows if no-one sees them, right?
Just fix the "what's up in your network".... pretty pretty please!!!!! Its immensely difficult as it works now. Please. The social network is the glue that hold these sites up and running....
forteller pro replies:
forteller pro says:
After all the negative comments that has come after this announcement it is very disappointing that nobody from the team has replied to the comments and created a new blog post clarifying all of this! If this is really just OpenID 2.0 it's actually great, but you have to explain in detail what OpenID is and how it works. Most people don't know that, of course, and you can't just dump a message here about supporting IDs from Yahoo!, when you know that many of us are here because we don't like Yahoo!, and then disappear for over a week!
Team Ipernity pro says:
About new authentication methods: we propose alternate ways of login for those who want to use new authentication standards such as OpenID, and for those who don't want to manage too many passwords.
This is absolutely optional. People can of course continue to login with their email+password.
There is no particular commitment/contract between ipernity and the identities providers.
ipernity doesnt' provide any personal data to these 3rd-parties and will never do this. Remember what is written is our Privacy Policy: According to the French law on information technology and liberties from January 6, 1978, we inform you that the personal data gathered via a form on ipernity can in no case be transmitted, either freely or not, to third parties.