DON'T ESCAPE - PLEASE STAY!

Ich wünsche mir, daß sich jeder seine Gedanken dazu macht Claus-Peter...ich selbst hätte es nie so überzeugend schreiben können aber ich teile jeden Deiner Gedanken dazu! Danke!

Please STAY!

I'm not so optimistic as you are, but I will stay till 'the end'. !!!

Dear Jaap, I intended to write a realistic article against the pessimism that makes people escape. :))

Ich werde sicher bis am Ende stehen, aber in der Zwischenzeit schaue ich mich um.

On Ipernity for 8 years and I 'll stay as long as possible, I'm ready to give more money or time to keep this platform alive.
But I don't want to let my pictures in the cloud and for that I 'll delete its before the end of january.
Thanks for your com.

If you understand french language, you can read this : all hope is not lost
www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4642882

As one of the people that has gone to the trouble of setting up "refugee communities" as you call them on other platforms I'm sorry you don't believe them to be helpful.

Perhaps that's because you've failed to appreciate why, at least in the case of the ones I've set up, they've been established.

I'm not saying anyone should quit ipernity or that they should migrate to any one site. The whole point of them is to create a forum where people can muster, look at what options are out there, and find a new home that suits each of them individually if and when ipernity closes.

If you really want to apportion blame for the "panic" then that must surely lie with Team Ipernity who have not only made this announcement, but who have failed to engage fully with the community in the past over how to secure the long term future of this site.

I believe you only joined from Panoramio recently and so weren't active here in 2015 when I wrote my open letter to the team, which sought to shine a light on the fears that many were harbouring: the so-called .

If you had been around then, you would know that this is a situation that has been brewing for a considerable time and that many people have tried and failed to work with the site owners to secure the long term future of ipernity.

So, please don't criticise people for looking at where they might go next, or for that matter for deciding that this news is the final straw as far as they are concerned.

As for Eric's group I have joined that and am happy to work and assist in any way that I can as I love ipernity and do not want it to fail, but I am also a realist and have personal experience of trying to point this sinking ship in the right direction.

Sorry if this sounds abrupt, but I found your remarks upsetting, albeit they appear to have been formed without knowing the full story.

Kind regards

PAUL

Dear Paul,
I did not want to blame you or anybody else. I apologize if you felt like this and if I upset you. This was not the intent. The intent was to analyze which alternatives are most rational at this point of time. In this regard we might have different views. I respect yours.
Best regards, Claus-Peter

:)

I fully agree with Paul! I just recently paid for another 2 years` club membership and am going to stay here for as long Ipernity is there. If opening an account somewhere else is seen as desertion then the only result is that people feel hurt by the infighting and actually start leaving Ipernity.

...well said, Paul, I fully agree.

Just been published and worth a read ...

Pour vous répondre [FR]

As it says the English version will be posted tomorrow.

Thumb up!

Wise words Claus,little to early for this refugge ship,lets wait till the end.
And even if we wanna go right now,what is our alternative,one night i was surfing for couple of hours and didnt found anything even similar.

I'm in with you...

für mich ist flickr mit der speziellen ipi gruppe nur eine notlösung. bin ja damals weg weil vieles nicht stimmte! ich hoffe das es hier weitergeht und deshalb finden hier meine hauptaktivitäten statt.

The reason people are panicking so is because so many are using sites like this to backup their photography and, if the site goes under, they're staring down the possibility of losing everything.

I'm not sure you can appreciate the time investment it takes to preserve thousands of photos. Even if not for the sake of them being a backup .... For instance, many people add lots of info. into description fields -- info. that they spent time researching, mind you --- which would double the time it would take to clone that image elsewhere. So, yes, they panic, because the ipernity admins. were too lackadaisical to inform. its members sooner about their intentions to get out of the business. If they had told members they were looking to sell or honestly disclosed the state of their business in a timely manner, people wouldn't be so panicked now because they would've had more than 30 days to find a new hosting site and/or download the data they needed from this site. I don't blame people who, like me, have over 5 thousand images to find a new home for or, unlike me, are finding this is their only backup to their whole body of work (which is foolish on their part, I will admit.).... To give you an idea, when I changed my home base from Flickr to here, it took me about 3mos. to fully re-upload all my stuff and get it all sorted into a usable grouping -- and now I have almost twice that to work with.

As for saving the site... People just aren't going to rally around someone who hasn't been here that long, sorry. You have to understand the community of people here and the idiosyncrasies involved in working with folks from so many diff't places in the world. Ideally, this site needs to stay in the EU for best results...

Those "refugee sites" are actually more beneficial than harmful.... People can stay informed. Not everyone who is on those other sites is a deserter --- most still have a foothold here and will be riding the ship to the bottom of the sea (as the saying goes). But they have to find a place to preserve their work, too, and figure out how to properly use said site. Flickr, especially, for the first timer is a bear to work around. Other sites are simpler, but all require an investment of time. These folks are looking for a lifeboat and if this site or its interface can be saved somehow, I'm sure most of them will come back or follow it to its new location online.

The people who need to be pushed the hardest to safe this site are the admins. themselves. They obviously just want out.... If you want to save the site, they need to be convinced, somehow to part with the source code for it and offer THAT up for sale or merger into an existing site that is similar. A site like 23HQ would be an ideal place.... It needs a better interface -- thought theirs is fairly functional -- and photo hosting isn't their financial sustenance so they have the resources to run a site like this.... This code is stable, so, they pretty much would just need to absorb it or integrate it with their own. This is where people's focus needs to be.... The domain and all that isn't what makes this site what it is.... It's the interface that's unique. I think people wouldn't even be up-in-arms about the shut down so much if they had a similar place to go to --- well, that and more than 30 days during the Christmas Holidays to get there, too.

My 2 cents ;)

23HO: Trading a 7 person outfit for a 5 person outfit? I learned my lesson.

i'm one of the hardest critics of the administration and their behaviour and politics over the last years, too many things went wrong, but i never thought about to run away. my groups are still existing and active and i will continue posting my images and comments until the lights will be turned off... if the lights won't be turned off, i'll continue my activities, but it's legitimate to have a look for alternatives ! and not to be prepared for the end means to loose too much.
so, if iper will survive, they also have to live with me in the future... :-)
if not - i'm prepared...
another point is: what does it mean to continue, if possible? if it means that nothing changes, iper will be soon at the same point again as it is now... in the last years the staff was more and more far away from the members, but the members have shown, since the beginning, that they want to support, that they want to be an active part, that they're open to take responsability, but the team was distanced more and more. i don't know any community with members like we have here and the team should be open for this resource, more than it was over the last years.
the administration must be closer to the members and their interests, their ideas and their support and must be more communicative. if this doesn't change, it's better to have the closure, imho...

I fully agree with t.a.o.n here. IP's post from December 1st was quite clear: "We will shut down Jan. 31st or shortly thereafter". What do they expect? That people are sitting here waiting to let it happen? They should have told us the complete story in the first place instead of giving us the notice in this blunt way. They should not be surprised, if people pack up and leave.

As long as I am not convinced, that IP ist financially sound and has a long term perspective I will keep my refugee account at Flickr I have established immerdiately after that blogpost. May be I even like it there and stay for good. And that would be not my fault!

I will stay here to the end but meanwhile I feel free to make contingency plans and that is an account at Flickr.

I think the post of Dec. 1st was premature and utterly stupid!

PS: and please, do not call me deserter or traitor or undertaker or whatever, that is simply not fair and I had all that before when I came from Panoramio to Ipernity

Dear Lutz,
nobody called you a "deserter or traitor or undertaker or whatever". All these words came from you, I did not introduce or use them, and I would never do so because of my respect for you.
But I have a different opinion regarding rational scenarios for the community.
Let's be clear: we all love this community which for many ex-Panos like you and me emerged to become a better place and community. But for this very reason we have a competition of ideas how to move forward and save most of this community's value after this sad and disappointing announcement of the commercial state and the presumptive future of the company Ipernity.
I have the highest respect for everybody who takes part in this search for the best of this community. I have the highest respect for you because you are really trying to do the best.
But please respect vice versa that I have a very different opinion how to try to save this valuable community in this really sad and difficult situation of the company which runs this "resort" that gives us shelter.
My analysis above says that it harms this community and its home if we build three or four different new homes at different locations (companies!) before we even know whether a collaps or destruction of our current home will happen or can be prohibited by the contributions of our common ideas and actions and/or by third parties.
I just do not think it would be rational to try defending a castle or house by leaving it and being absent. I firmly believe it distracts the energy of our community at a moment while uniting this energy would be a very powerful weapon.
And in case the worst case would turn true: I firmly believe it would then be early enough to move. What does it make so urgent to move right now? I don't understand the hurry! Who's advantage is this hurry other than Ipernity's enemies and competitors?
There is nothing more urgent than the defence of our existing community and home. Particularly because everybody confirms that the currently chosen new destinations are not at all the promised land.

With my highest personal respect for your great intents, your different and diverse ideas, and your enormous efforts,
Sincerly Claus-Peter

I intend to stay and remain active. I still believe there is hope especially since IP is the only credible alternative to Flickr with its user friendly and professional layout for serious photographers. Instagram and Facebook don't even fall in my realm of considerations.

Ich bleibe bis zum Ende. Das ist klar, aber ich finde es auch wichtig, dass wir die Kontakte vorübergehend retten und woanders bewahren.

Ich wünsche mir, daß niemand beschimpft wird ob seiner Entscheidung!
Der Ton wurde nach Bekanntgabe in manchen Ecken ziemlich heftig und unüberlegt..das geht so nicht!
Akzeptanz und Toleranz ist Gebot..Freundschaft war´s bis jetzt auch immer und auch wenn´s für viele blöd klingt...
don´t give up dreaming ;)))))

Schönen Tag Euch!

Ich werde bis zum Ende bleiben, meine Bilder einstellen und hoffen, dass es vielleicht doch noch eine Lösung gibt. Wenn ich was dafür tun kann, werde ich's tun. Hab allerdings auch nen Flickr-Account eingerichtet; einfach um den Kontakt nicht zu verlieren. Viele scheinen mir schon endgültig abgewandert zu sein und mir liegt sehr an diesen Kontakten. Bis zum Ende bleibt aber IP meine erste Adresse ! Und darüberhinaus finde ich Flickr nicht so toll, dass ich voller Begeisterung dahin wechseln würde. Im Gegenteil ! Ich verurteile niemanden, der sich dort schon für die Zukunft eingerichtet hat. Für mich allerdings kommt das, wenn überhaupt, erst Ende Januar in Frage. Und: meine Bilder sind mir zwar wichtig und ich finde es schön, wenn sie auch von anderen Menschen angeschaut und/oder gemocht werden. Aber ich kann auch ohne eine öffentliche Präsentation leben. Und wenn mir Flickr nicht passt ( nachdem ich's ausprobiert habe ), werd ich mich halt ganz zurückziehen. Und warten, ob sich im Laufe der Zeit nicht doch noch etwas Neues ergibt. Vorerst träume ich aber noch !

Ich bin da schon grandig. Jetzt hab ich hier auf ip mit dem Aufbau begonnen und 25 Euro gezahlt. Das Aussitzen habe ich gerade erst nach 10 Jahren PANORAMIO hinter mir. Und es war sinnlos!!!
Hier jetzt dann sowas. Ich kann das einfach nicht, nach erst 8 Wochen hier weiter zu machen. Und schon gar nicht nochmals gleich nach Pano-Ende. Meine Bilder sind hier noch drin aber erstmal nur ausgeblendet. Die ID bleibt.
Unabhängig davon habe ich mich nach Flickr orientiert und dort bereits aufgebaut.
Ich grüße Euch

Ich kann das nachempfinden Roland. Aber egal, ob jetzt kurz oder schon länger hier. Wenn man etwas in sein Herz geschlossen hat, ist das völlig egal. Du wirst Dir Deinen Schritt auch überlegt haben. Die Trennung von Pano war anders, da wollte auch ich letzten Endes nicht mehr so richtig. VG, Frank

Absolut richtig, Frank. Ich kann ja auch nur für MICH sprechen. Für Pano hätte ich auch alles getan und verstehe voll und ganz alle, die es hier zu Ende bringen wollen. Es sollte nur ein kleines Statement sein entgegen denen, die es nicht wirklich verstehen, wenn man sich jetzt woanders umsieht.
Grüße, Roland

I will be staying till they slam the door ....

As will I. That being said, I never gave up the Flickr account I had since 2010. There is nothing wrong with having a backup plan; in fact, it is a wise thing to do.

Ich habe gerade eine inakzeptable Beschimpfung eines Diskussionsteilnehmers gelöscht.
Ich möchte dringend bitten, diese Diskussion hier sachlich und mit Respekt für alle anderen zu führen.
Wir alle wollen das Beste für Ipernity, also unsere Community. Das eint uns, sonst wären wir nicht hier und würden uns nicht in all diesen Diskussionen engagieren. Unterschiedliche Meinungen sind da normal und fruchtbar. Aber Beschimpfungen sind nicht akzeptabel.

Sehr richtig!

Ich bleibe hier, so lange es ip gibt. Und ich hoffe sehr, dass diese wunderbare Plattform erhalten bleibt. Eine Erhöhung des Mitgliedsbeitrags wäre für mich okay.

You've totally understood the situation !
www.ipernity.com/blog/2058508/4643332

hi, hatte vor einigen stunden einen unschönen kommentar geschrieben, den claus-peter zu recht gelöscht hat. bin voll über das ziel ...... . es tut mir leid! vg diedje

Respekt, mein Freund! Das ist einmal eine grade Ansage in dieser schwierigen Zeit.
Wir bauen unter Stress alle mal einen Fehler. Welcome back to the discussion.

Das Panoende war für viele bitter, die jahrelang dort aktiv waren.
Um zu gewährleisten, das wir die nächsten Treffen organisieren können und die Kontakte da sind, habe ich mich auch auf Flickr umgesehen. Erstmals als Winterquartier, im Falle wenn auch als Lösung.
Leider ist der Kontakt vom Team zu uns nicht so, wie er sein könnte.
Viele Ideen habe ich hier gehört, wie man einen differenzierten Zugang preislich gestalten könnte. Wir sind da außen vor und haben keine Möglichkeit zur Einflussnahme, wir sind zahlende Mitglieder.
Wieder nur abwarten und ausharren? Bin da noch sehr unschlüssig.

Uwe,
Ich glaube, wir warten alle auf eine befreiende Message von Christophe. Er ist sicher in einer nicht beneidenswerten Situation. Und wir alle hoffen, dass ihm was gelingt, was wir nach Feiertag fantasieren.
Keiner von uns hat sein Vermögen in so ein Projekt investiert. Also ich jedenfalls nicht. Da tut Respekt und - ja - Demut gut.
Deshalb warte auch ich.

Watching Flickr to be shut down by Verizon!
www.ipernity.com/doc/1058283/43992576

Where to go when Flickr will been shut down by Verizon?
www.ipernity.com/blog/b_k/4643746

Die Frage habe ich mir neulich auch gestellt, als mir jemand bei Flickr schrieb, daß es doch schön wäre, daß ich meine "Eisenbahnschätzchen" da zeige. Nun, die Halbwertszeiten der Bilder auf einem Server scheinen immer kürzer zu werden. VG, Frank

I see the latest posting from William Sutherland says:

"I expect info either Friday or Saturday (at the latest) re: Survey results".

Bad news for users of Fotoblur as it has been announced this week that the site will close on March 1st, 2017.

However, this does mean that there will be a lot of people looking for a new home for their photos so perhaps this will present an opportunity for those of us who are trying to save ipernity to exploit?

Here's the full announcement as posted on Facebook:



Thanks to Roger Dodger for initially drawing this to my attention! :)

Just been posted by William Sutherland in the Ipernity Members Association Project group here on ipernity:

Good morning/afternoon,

We are still in discussions with Ipernity S.A. re: the future of this site and its transfer. Negotiations are ongoing to protect the best interests of the members. At the same time we are investigating crowdfunding options so we can take the next step when negotiations are concluded.

Finally, a new post from Team Ipernity:

www.ipernity.com/blog/team/4652240